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Droopy wrote:
Chap wrote:How did they find out what lineage you came from?

By looking at the color of your skin.


Yeah, right. If that were the case, then a great many Pacific Islanders would not now be members. One had to be Negro - have a black African ancestry, not just have dark skin.

You've just demonstrated the salience of my own point. Thanks.

Were there any cases during the last century and a half where an American with African-style dark skin color was judged not to be of the lineage of Cain


African style skin?

Give this up, Chap, and, you know, move along...


You're right Droopy, it wasn't just based on skin color, but also facial and hair characteristics. In other words, racial characteristics.
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Droopy wrote:
And thus, Droopy proves once and for all that Southern slavery wasn't a racist institution, since Latin Americans, Jews, Asians, and Amerindians weren't slaves in the South.


Actually, a very strong argument can be made that it wasn't a "racist" institution in the modern sense of the term "racist," but primarily an economic institution held over from about 6,000 years of old world cultural tradition that was transplanted to North America. The concept of "racism" as we now understand it is, to a great degree, a post-civil war intellectual concept.

In any case, I highly doubt Southerners of that era were hot to trot about going to church with Indians, Mexicans, Jews, Catholics, or Chinese coolies.

And why I'm even responding to this troll I'm not at all sure.


Wow! Slavery wasn't racist? You heard it here first!

If Droopy had any credibility to lose, this would have been its death knell.
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Droopy wrote:Actually, a very strong argument can be made that it wasn't a "racist" institution in the modern sense of the term "racist," but primarily an economic institution held over from about 6,000 years of old world cultural tradition that was transplanted to North America.


Please delineate said 'very strong argument' for us.
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Buffalo wrote:
Wow! Slavery wasn't racist? You heard it here first!

If Droopy had any credibility to lose, this would have been its death knell.


It helps explain why he doesn't think the priesthood ban was racist. If southern slavery wasn't racist, the priesthood ban certainly wasn't.
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DarkHelmet wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Wow! Slavery wasn't racist? You heard it here first!

If Droopy had any credibility to lose, this would have been its death knell.


It helps explain why he doesn't think the priesthood ban was racist. If southern slavery wasn't racist, the priesthood ban certainly wasn't.


Well, like I said, the usual US usage of 'racist' has for the last century and a half has included as a major component of its meaning "Bad way of thinking and acting that characterized the attitude of whites, particularly in the southern states, towards people who were members of the groups actually enslaved, or who had been enslaved, or who were descended in whole or part from those who had been enslaved'.

If Droopy wants to use another word instead, he can, but it is unlikely to come into general usage.
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Chap wrote:
If Droopy wants to use another word instead, he can, but it is unlikely to come into general usage.


Sort of like his attempts to redefine fascism into something that falls within the left wing political spectrum.
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Droopy wrote:
What Romney said may not have been wrong, but what was said was similar to the point above and said in a way that lumped ethnic identity in with poverty and abuse.


Are you here actually claiming, with face straight, that poverty and social pathology are not disproportionally represented in certain ethnic/sociocultural demographic groups?

To answer your question, let me ask this - do you recall the somewhat recent reporting on the high child abuse rates in Utah? I assume you consider child abuse a social pathology. Are you going to claim it's inaccurate due to a failure to address underlying complexity in the data? or perhaps it's the fault of the non-Mormons in Utah. Or...
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Droopy wrote:Still lacking any degree of critical rigor and philosophical clarity? Not to worry. Its not required in your profession to any great degree in any case (thought a few, here and there, transcend the barriers imposed by legal education and culture).


As impressive as your vapid commentary is, the impact of your insights is somewhat lessened by your consistent demonstration on this board that you know about as much about legal education and culture---and about law and the legal system---as you do about ancient Chinese metallurgy.

Nevertheless, I always appreciate the deep thoughts of a redneck religious fanatic such as yourself. Really, when you are seriously asserting that the enslavement of black Africans was not racist, clearly we are dealing with a force of intellectual honesty to be reckoned with. I know I cannot hope to reach your lofty summit of erudition, invariably expressed in the form of parroting other people's ideas (i.e., reactionary talking points and Moplogist dogma).

And as far as the intellectual nuance that you insist that I lack but you presumably have in abundance, really, how can I hope to recover from such a powerful riposte as you have repeatedly made in this thread?

"Racism is about lineage, not skin color."

"Nuh-uh! Racism is about lineage, not skin color."

"You just affirmed my statement that racism is about lineage, not skin color."

"You're stupid! Racism is about lineage, not skin color!"

Of all the Mormon internet jihadis I have run across who can't grasp the basic grammatical difference between "your" and "you're," you are clearly the most imposing.

I'm not quite sure if it would contract to "you're the most imposing" or "your the most imposing." Any opinion on that, Droopy?
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Are you here actually claiming, with face straight, that poverty and social pathology are not disproportionally represented in certain ethnic/sociocultural demographic groups?


To answer your question, let me ask this - do you recall the somewhat recent reporting on the high child abuse rates in Utah? I assume you consider child abuse a social pathology. Are you going to claim it's inaccurate due to a failure to address underlying complexity in the data? or perhaps it's the fault of the non-Mormons in Utah. Or...


Nice try...but, well, not really. The fact that Utah has higher than average child abuse rates doesn't tell us much, demographically, about who's committing them. The well known empirical fact that American blacks, at just over 12% of the population, commit 52% of all violent crime in the nation, centers that behavior in a specific demographic sub-group.

The even more interesting (and politically incorrect) statistic that of all crimes involving blacks and whites in a victim-perpetrator relationship, 90% are black on white in nature, is also rather specific. The Utah stats may not be inaccurate, but their ambiguous demographically. The ethnic aspect of criminal activity and the concentration of certain kinds of activity among specific demographic groups is not.
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Well, like I said, the usual US usage of 'racist' has for the last century and a half has included as a major component of its meaning "Bad way of thinking and acting that characterized the attitude of whites, particularly in the southern states, towards people who were members of the groups actually enslaved, or who had been enslaved, or who were descended in whole or part from those who had been enslaved'.

If Droopy wants to use another word instead, he can, but it is unlikely to come into general usage.


And yet a substantial undercurrent (when not overtly expressed, as Samuel L. Jackson recently did) of anti-White, anti-Semitic, and anti-Asian racism exists within contemporary American black culture and is, at present, probably the most persistent and commonly expressed (and accepted and tolerated by elite "progressive" culture) form of racism among us.

As I have tried to make clear, and following Dinesh DeSouza here, slavery in North America and in the South was a transplantation and holdover of the ancien rigime; an economic, cultural, and traditional practice that had existed from time immemorial among virtually all peoples. Even without the justifications for the practice, based upon the physical characteristics of the slaves, the practice would have existed anyway, as it in no sense required any racial justification. Romans enslaved other Caucasian peoples. Irish enslaved other Europeans. American Indians enslaved each other (and sold them to Europeans, on occasion), and black Africans already had a long history of slaving and slave trading in place when the Europeans came on the scene.

The really viscous racism of the old South was more a product of the destruction of the agrarian serf society the South had created in contradistinction to the non-slave, urbanizing, technologically progressing, commercial cultures of the northern states, than a pretext for the original practice. That needed no pretext. Slaves were the spoils of war, indentured servants working of their passage, members of lesser castes, and natural inferiors doing their part for society (a concept dating all the way back to Plato and Aristotle).

If all the slaves in all the plantations in the old South had been Danes and the slavemasters black, nothing would have been any different regarding the existence of the institution (as the existence of a number of wealthy free black plantation owners holding their own black slaves testifies). Indentured servitude was a white on white institution, and was not too far removed from chattel slavery.

Theories of black inferiority, therefore, were not the pretext for the Atlantic slave trade, but cultural self justification for slavery in the particular Christian and classical liberal context of the Founding, both of which were understood to be incompatible with the practice.

In Africa itself, or in Muslim nations at the time, for example, the question of whether slavery was "right or wrong" never would have arisen
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