Themis wrote:I said a while back that bcspace is the kind of guy who will tell you black is white and white is black if he thinks it will defend the church. What is delusional is he might think people actually buy into what he says. LOL
I finally put bcspace on my ignore list because I got sick of his deception. There comes a point when one cannot put up with it any longer. It became apparent to me that he was altogether dealing in deception and it got a bit old.
I wouldn't believe a word he says. Not a single word. I chalk bcspace up as simply another one of holy-Joe's Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 -- totally out in left field.
Paul O
I think he is more then just delusional, but willing to lie here if he thinks it's defending the church in some way.
ldsfaqs wrote: Of course, it is also true that there DID seem to be some skin color differences between the two major groups, which would make sense if one was more modern and more Hebrew and the other more primitive.
What are you trying to say ldsfaqs? Because it sounds awfully like you are saying that darker skinned people are more primitive.
No kidding.
And I totally get where Infymus is coming from, too.
I grew up seeing many sincere decent people broken on the wheel of the priesthood ban: excommunicated, disfellowshipped, shunned. Careers and lives ruined.
That's why these things can still make me angry.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
bcspace wrote: Well, when you can think of a doctrinal statement that says the ban came about because someone had black skin, let me know. I'll bet you can't find one among the speculative statements.
Troll. We both know the ban was based on race. The leaders of the church get most things wrong, and they thought black people were descendants of Cain and were not to be given the priesthood, or are you not aware of OD2. Are you really this stupid to think anyone believes what you are saying. Keep tolling away.
Themis, this is a unique and ironic case where the term "whitewashing" functions literally and not figuratively.
These are bold lies told against history and against the lives of many decent people who lived in anguish because of these clearly racist practices.
I think it is best to not even engage with such disingenuousness. Such craven justifications do not deserve the respect of response.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
Well, when you can think of a doctrinal statement that says the ban came about because someone had black skin, let me know. I'll bet you can't find one among the speculative statements.
Troll. We both know the ban was based on race. The leaders of the church get most things wrong, and they thought black people were descendants of Cain and were not to be given the priesthood, or are you not aware of OD2. Are you really this stupid to think anyone believes what you are saying. Keep tolling away.
It's quite telling that none of you can come up with any kind of quote or reference. You mentioned OD 2. Please quote the part of OD 2 that says the ban came about because of race.
Themis wrote:I think he is more then just delusional, but willing to lie here if he thinks it's defending the church in some way.
Well, things aren't always so black and white in apologetic Mormonism. However, it's quite clear that the alleged slave in Facsimile No. 3 is BLACK and there isn't a damn thing the apologists can do to wiggle out of that. They are stuck with holy-Joe's Explanation and there it continues to stare up at them from the very pages of their scriptures. They can't say it was because of his countenance or some other kind of dark metaphor.
PWNed Apologist wrote:Please quote the part of OD 2 that says the ban came about because of race.
He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.
Didn't answer the question. Please quote the part of OD 2 that says the ban came about because of race.
He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.
Didn't answer the question. Please quote the part of OD 2 that says the ban came about because of race.
Where O where can that reference be? lol
Here's a little logic lesson for you, O Dense One:
The revelation with accompanying canonized letter would not need to specifically state that worthy males could now be ordained regardless of "race or color" if such ordinations previously had not been banned because of "race or color." Duh!
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Sheesh. Communicating with BC Space is like talking with a freaking 3 year old. He cannot read and comprehend anything anyone else posts. I think Buffalo is on to something. BC Space has been trolling us, and I feel stupid. I've never used the ignore feature until now.
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"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Sure, it's a metaphor, but it also really happened - per "LDS" - if it didn't really happen, its value as a meaphor would be nil.
The mopologists just don't get this. Yes, the global flood is a metaphor, but it also really happened and it"s strength as a metaphor draws from that.
How many times have the apologists repeated Paul H Dunn stories? See, if they really believed their own deceptions, they would be big Dunn fans as well.