RayAgostini wrote:You don't believe in God or Jesus Christ.
You're just a fake person who doesn't want people to know your real position, which is that you're an atheist posing as some kind of believer.
You're as fake and fraudulent as they come, and all you believe in is materialism, and "what you can see". You're faithless, and view faith as "silly".
How do you know any of that? The man says he believes (in some sense) in God. So how do you determine that he is lying?
There's another factor in this too, Samantabhadra. The Law of Moses was not exactly tolerant of other religious practices, as we see throughout the Old Testament and Raiders of the Lost Ark. So how is it that the Nephites were practicing the Law of Moses, but they had a law that was strikingly similar to the religion clauses of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
And why would the Nephites have been practicing the Law of Moses at all? LDS dogma posits that the Israelites were given the Law of Moses and the lesser (Aaronic) priesthood because their hearts were hardened and they were not ready for the fullness of the Gospel. But every indication is that the Nephites did have the fullness of the Gospel. They were quite explicit about Jesus Christ and New Testament-style Christianity. Also, the explanation for why the Nephites could have the priesthood with no Levites among them is that the Nephites had the higher (Melchizedek) priesthood. But the Melchizedek priesthood comes with the fullness of the gospel---that's why it was supposedly withheld from the Israelites.
So according to the Church's own teachings about why the Law of Moses came about, what reason would there be for the Nephites to practice it? And how would they leave the door wide open to the worship of pagan gods among them if they were following the Law of Moses?
RayAgostini wrote:I await his thoughts on Jesus Christ.
What do his thoughts on Jesus Christ have to do with whether or not he believes in God? Jews believe in God, but they don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour. (Not that the Dark Lord of the Sith is Jewish, but presumably you see my point).
Darth J wrote:some things that are too sophisticated for this discussion
Darth maybe we can circle back to those very good points, but I feel like you're eager to play chess and poor Ray is still struggling with tic tac toe. Milk before meat?
Samantabhadra wrote:What do his thoughts on Jesus Christ have to do with whether or not he believes in God? Jews believe in God, but they don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour. (Not that the Dark Lord of the Sith is Jewish, but presumably you see my point).
He is against all religion, which he perceives as "superstition". Apparently he has you fooled too.
Cylon wrote:Holy cow, how did I miss this thread before?! Fireworks going on here. I guess this explains Ray's testimony thread.
And Ray, belief in God does not require belief in a religion.
Cylon, true belief in God actually requires disbelief in religion.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
RayAgostini wrote: You don't believe in God or Jesus Christ.
You're just a fake person who doesn't want people to know your real position, which is that you're an atheist posing as some kind of believer.
You're as fake and fraudulent as they come, and all you believe in is materialism, and "what you can see". You're faithless, and view faith as "silly".
I think if someone was a real believer in Jesus, instead of a fake, he would most likely say things like this:
Ray A wrote:My educated guess is that you probably have some kind of compulsive masturbation habit, and you see Mormonism as a way of redeeming yourself.
Maybe you should check in to some kind of addiction centre.
Maybe that will also cure you of your obsessive need to attack "Exmos" to justify flogging your dick too much.
You married? Did you tell your wife that you masturbate on the side? ......... Now be sure to check yourself into that compulsive masturbation centre, because you have all the classic signs of a compulsive masturbator who sees "apologetics" as a kind of "redemption" from dick addiction.
In other words, you're just a typical Mormon hypocrite, and probably a speck in the pool of "Mormon priesthood holders" who contribute to enormous porn viewing among Mormon males.
OMFG! This thread is not about Darth's belief or lack thereof. Take it to your own damn thread!
This thread, for those who are confused, is about the Alma 30 contradiction!!!
Thank you.
I also find it interesting that Korihor was magically struck mute by Alma and then unable to earn a living. He went begging for his food to survive and the Nephites murdered him.
There is no consequence for the murder. No one is brought to trial for KILLING a beggar. Nope. You can get arrested and put on trial for lack of belief, and have your voiced taken away (not unlike having your tongue cut out in ancient times). But, no, that's not good enough. The effing Nephites kill the guy!
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote:OMFG! This thread is not about Darth's belief or lack thereof. Take it to your own damn thread!
This thread, for those who are confused, is about the Alma 30 contradiction!!!
Thank you.
I also find it interesting that Korihor was magically struck mute by Alma and then unable to earn a living. He went begging for his food to survive and the Nephites murdered him.
There is no consequence for the murder. No one is brought to trial for KILLING a beggar. Nope. You can get arrested and put on trial for lack of belief, and have your voiced taken away (not unlike having your tongue cut out in ancient times). But, no, that's not good enough. The effing Nephites kill the guy!
Just to make sure I am following...Ray is a compulsive masturbator who was struck mute by alma while being anally probed by aliens (or possibly wade englund) who Darth J may or may not believe in? Am I close?
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