My Testimony.

[_cwald]

Fast and Testamony meeting will never be the same for me again.

Once again, I wish you people would quit making so much sense. It is no wonder MDDB folks hate this site so much

[_SteelHead]

It is surprising that people here can deny that witness that they received when they also prayed about the Book of Mormon.

That's myth. People don't "deny the testimony" because the "testimony" never existed. Joseph Smith has already been proven a fraud who could not translate ancient documents. He lied about his ability to translate Egyptian documents so why believe he could translate "reformed" Egyptian?

In fact that vast majority of people who pick up the Book of Mormon and read it feel absolutely nothing. Even the vast majority of people who pray about it, receive no such "witness." In fact I've come across plenty of Evangelicals on my mission and elsewhere, who said God explicitly told them the book was Satanic after they prayed about it.

The whole promise about a spiritual encounter with God once you've prayed about it is what excites the imagination of some readers who actually yearn for such an experience, and thus good feelings are invoked internally, not externally. This is very much how the placebo effect works. It is the same reason why people like my wife knock on wood and do all sorts of idiotic superstitious things. There is no evidence to believe in any of this stuff, but they believe "just in case" it may be true and then they attack all the non believers in order to make themselves feel even better about their baseless beliefs.

+1

And cwald, the MADhose people hate us because we have it easy. They are the ones that have to do the Olympic level mental gymnastics to somehow show that tapirs are horses. They are the ones defending the untenable.

[_Themis]

It is surprising that people here can deny that witness that they received when they also prayed about the Book of Mormon.

You say you had a powerful experience, but what about it makes you sure it had to be the HG?

[_Kevin Graham]

Ray started this thread and then disappeared.

Quick, someone say something critical of Dan Peterson. That'll bring him back with all guns a blazin'.

[_Cicero]

Let no one say, henceforth, that I have ever denied the truth of the Book of Mormon, and let this, if necessary, be my dying testimony.

In all seriousness, I wondered when I read this line if he was considering harming himself. I hope not, but his posts have been a bit erratic. After Darth J's long post about Ray's history, I went back to read a few old posts from RayA. It is hard to believe that it is the same person.

[_Kevin Graham]

Let no one say, henceforth, that I have ever denied the truth of the Book of Mormon, and let this, if necessary, be my dying testimony.

In all seriousness, I wondered when I read this line if he was considering harming himself. I hope not, but his posts have been a bit erratic. After Darth J's long post about Ray's history, I went back to read a few old posts from RayA. It is hard to believe that it is the same person.

Well, it is. Ray is a bit manic, in my opinion.

[_Ludd]

Let no one say, henceforth, that I have ever denied the truth of the Book of Mormon, and let this, if necessary, be my dying testimony.

In all seriousness, I wondered when I read this line if he was considering harming himself.

I wondered that, or if maybe he has been diagnosed with some terminal illness. I think it is natural for people to want to "hedge their bets" in a situation like that, if you know what I mean.

[_Yoda]

Or maybe Ray has simply come full circle and he is simply being genuine?

Frankly, the mocking and out and out vengeance that Paul stated saddens me.

[_LDSToronto]

Or maybe Ray has simply come full circle and he is simply being genuine?

Frankly, the mocking and out and out vengeance that Paul stated saddens me.

Liz, Ray has been an asshole lately. Bearing testimony doesn't change that, in fact, it shows how hypocritical he really is.

H.

[_Kevin Graham]

Or maybe Ray has simply come full circle and he is simply being genuine?

Frankly, the mocking and out and out vengeance that Paul stated saddens me.

Liz, Ray has been an asshole lately. Bearing testimony doesn't change that, in fact, it shows how hypocritical he really is.

H.

Bingo.