The Name of the TRUE Church

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gdemetz wrote:The Book of Revelation is not something that you can read casually a few times and become an expert on it. I have studied it for years and written a commentary on it which I need to make a few changes on. However, when it mentions a beast "having seven heads and ten horns," that is a very good clue that it is not literal, and when it states that we "will reign with Christ" for a thousand years, then that is a good clue to me that it can be taken literally, especially since this period and events are mentioned a number of times.



sounds like a blind guide writing a commentary on Revelations to me, since you know nothing about Revelations.
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jo1952 wrote:
You take the time to study and not jump to agenda-oriented conclusions.

Blessings,

jo


ludwigm wrote:So, you did it and know it.

And hold out it on us. Be more helpful, please...


Hello Ludwigm!!

Please tell me how I can be of help. If you have a specific question, I will be happy to share what I have learned. I am not trying to hold out information from anybody. I will try my best to share how I came to my current understandings, and what those understandings are. The rest is between you and God. You will need to earnestly seek the guidance of the Holy Ghost by asking God for that help. Ask for the spiritual ears to hear with. Each man's journey is unique.

Blessings and love,

jo
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gdemetz wrote:The Book of Revelation is not something that you can read casually a few times and become an expert on it. I have studied it for years and written a commentary on it which I need to make a few changes on. However, when it mentions a beast "having seven heads and ten horns," that is a very good clue that it is not literal, and when it states that we "will reign with Christ" for a thousand years, then that is a good clue to me that it can be taken literally, especially since this period and events are mentioned a number of times.


Is Balaam's talking Donkey a literal event or a non literal event?

Are you doubting that God can create a seven headed, ten horned beast?
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What's wrong Mittens? You have to resort to name calling since you ran out of arguments?! Yes, most of the Bible is literal, Drifting.
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gdemetz wrote:What's wrong Mittens? You have to resort to name calling since you ran out of arguments?! Yes, most of the Bible is literal, Drifting.


So you believe the talking donkey but disbelieve the seven headed beast? What's you're rationale for deciding one was literal and one wasn't?
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My rationale? Even Satan was able to speak through a serpent, and the account of Baalam is a literal story which gives a running account of events. However, I don't believe that John saw a literal beast which has seven heads and ten horns coming up out of the earth's sea! Also, as I stated before, weird beasts were often used to describe kingdoms, and that is seen often in the Book of Daniel. For example; the goat with one notable horn (representing Alexander's Greek kingdom) tramples the ram with two horns (the ram representing Media-Persia, and the two horns representing Media and Persia). It goes on to state that the great horn was broken and four horns took it's place. Alexander had five generals, and after his death four of them divided the kingdom.
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gdemetz wrote:My rationale? Even Satan was able to speak through a serpent, and the account of Baalam is a literal story which gives a running account of events. However, I don't believe that John saw a literal beast which has seven heads and ten horns coming up out of the earth's sea! Also, as I stated before, weird beasts were often used to describe kingdoms, and that is seen often in the Book of Daniel. For example; the goat with one notable horn (representing Alexander's Greek kingdom) tramples the ram with two horns (the ram representing Media-Persia, and the two horns representing Media and Persia). It goes on to state that the great horn was broken and four horns took it's place. Alexander had five generals, and after his death four of them divided the kingdom.



Daniel 2:
44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”

Head of Gold is the Babylonian Empire
Breasts and arms of silver is the Medo-Persian Empire
Belly and thighs of brass is the Macedonian Empire
Legs of Iron is the Roman Empire
Feet of iron and clay is Rome broken into Ten Kingdoms

1. Alemanni - Germany.
2. Franks - France.
3. Burgundians - Switzerland.
4. Suevi - Portugal.
5. Vandals - Exterminated.
6. Visigoths - Spain.
7. Anglo-Saxons - England.
8. Ostrogoths - Exterminated.
9. Lombards - Italy.
10. Heruli - Exterminated.

That kingdom set up was the Gospel Age, the time period between Jesus' leaving and his returned. Also called the Church Age
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gdemetz wrote:My rationale? Even Satan was able to speak through a serpent, and the account of Baalam is a literal story which gives a running account of events. However, I don't believe that John saw a literal beast which has seven heads and ten horns coming up out of the earth's sea! Also, as I stated before, weird beasts were often used to describe kingdoms, and that is seen often in the Book of Daniel. For example; the goat with one notable horn (representing Alexander's Greek kingdom) tramples the ram with two horns (the ram representing Media-Persia, and the two horns representing Media and Persia). It goes on to state that the great horn was broken and four horns took it's place. Alexander had five generals, and after his death four of them divided the kingdom.


The key word is 'believe'.
You don't have a specific, factual, rationale for differentiating between the literalness of one and the figurativeness of the other. You just believe it to be so.
The difficulty with that approach is that it is left to the individual to decide which parts of the Bible to take literally and which parts to take figuratively.
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Yes, Mittens, and that was set up before He has returned. It was set up in 1830! However, the 1000 year millennium when the saints will reign with Him is after He returns and reigns!
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gdemetz wrote:Yes, Mittens, and that was set up before He has returned. It was set up in 1830! However, the 1000 year millennium when the saints will reign with Him is after He returns and reigns!


I provided enough proof from the Bible that the kingdom was was set up in the period of the 10 kingom right after the Roman Empire was desolved
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