Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

[_Lemmie]

With all due respect. . . you have GOT to be kidding, sir.

What evidence or anecdotes do you have that led you to believe this?

What do you make of the fact that YOU were the only person to question this.

Maybe the only person to question it in writing! I was focusing on a different subject so I didn't mention it in my recent posts, but my eyes did an Olympic-worthy roll when I read it. The only time I remember hearing in person someone speculate about actual polygynous partners was when my jerk of a brother would tease his wife about how he couldn't wait to get to the Celestial Kingdom so he could get assigned another mate. She was not amused. Maybe its a regional thing.


Ya think Brigham Young heard that often?!

[_Kishkumen]

I have decided to say one more thing and then will do my best to exit this drama and not read responses here. I do ask that if JD or the Open Stories Foundation responds with its "statement" that someone let me know. I may be ignoring only because I'm trying to shut this out of my life.

(And if anyone on the Open Stories Foundation board reads this, please consider Money's number and payment of employees issue and how that increased JD's power over me dramatically.)

This is hard to write, but it needs to be said. Like a lot of women, I have been violently raped more than one time. What JD did to me with his emotional manipulations, and, well, I'm not going to get into everything he did or the whole drama he's created of his life that I unfortunately am now part of, was far worse than the rapes.

I know there will be those who will argue and defend, say that I am wrong to have experienced my life the way I have, that my response to JD is hardly JD's "fault," or whatnot, but if I could have exchanged this experience for a few more violent rapes, I would gladly have done so. There is great harm in emotional, sexual and power manipulation coupled with Internet intimidation, public exposure, and the power games he's playing with the church.

He is a very dangerous man.

This is transparently dodgy BS. It is one thing to say that you are a rape victim. I am truly sorry that you experienced that. It is a whole other thing to use that horrible experience to impugn the character of another person on the basis of vague, unproven allegations:

I'm not going to get into everything he did or the whole drama he's created of his life that I unfortunately am now part of, was far worse than the rapes.

Being a victim is not a license to be a vindictive asshole. I am done with you. You are a real piece of work.

[_Kishkumen]

Maybe the only person to question it in writing! I was focusing on a different subject so I didn't mention it in my recent posts, but my eyes did an Olympic-worthy roll when I read it. The only time I remember hearing in person someone speculate about actual polygynous partners was when my jerk of a brother would tease his wife about how he couldn't wait to get to the Celestial Kingdom so he could get assigned another mate. She was not amused. Maybe its a regional thing.

Yeah, well, I have heard it from multiple sources and witnessed it personally. So, yes, it happens, and it is not rare. It is more often the case that this happens among more mature, single women, who are implicitly encouraged by LDS theology and culture (and sometimes openly and explicitly encouraged) to imagine that they will be polygamously attached in the afterlife so long as they remain righteous in this one.

[_Lemmie]

I have decided to say one more thing and then will do my best to exit this drama and not read responses here. I do ask that if JD or the Open Stories Foundation responds with its "statement" that someone let me know. I may be ignoring only because I'm trying to shut this out of my life.

(And if anyone on the Open Stories Foundation board reads this, please consider Money's number and payment of employees issue and how that increased JD's power over me dramatically.)

This is hard to write, but it needs to be said. Like a lot of women, I have been violently raped more than one time. What JD did to me with his emotional manipulations, and, well, I'm not going to get into everything he did or the whole drama he's created of his life that I unfortunately am now part of, was far worse than the rapes.

I know there will be those who will argue and defend, say that I am wrong to have experienced my life the way I have, that my response to JD is hardly JD's "fault," or whatnot, but if I could have exchanged this experience for a few more violent rapes, I would gladly have done so. There is great harm in emotional, sexual and power manipulation coupled with Internet intimidation, public exposure, and the power games he's playing with the church.

He is a very dangerous man.

No one is defending the things that have happened to you. I've only been reading here two years or so, but in that time, these types of posts are the only thing I remember from your participation. The need to keep re-creating the drama may be your way of coping but continuing to spill this type of in real life information while apparently stereotyping and minimizing other's experiences may be counter-productive to that process. Just one person's opinion.

[_RockSlider]

reminds me of 'Fatal Attraction'

[_Kishkumen]

reminds me of 'Fatal Attraction'

Kinda has that feel about it, yes. Anyway, blocking is a wonderful feature of this board.

Victims deserve both sympathy and support. Victimhood is not a free pass for libel.

[_Tator]

I have decided to say one more thing and then will do my best to exit this drama and not read responses here..............
He is a very dangerous man.

Perhaps it is time to air out your dirty laundry with a professional rather than a message board full of mostly rank amateurs, ya think?

[_Dr Exiled]

I have decided to say one more thing and then will do my best to exit this drama and not read responses here..............
He is a very dangerous man.

Perhaps it is time to air out your dirty laundry with a professional rather than a message board full of mostly rank amateurs, ya think?

I second this. At a certain point, I think you need to move on with life and a professional could help in the process.

[_Lemmie]

Maybe the only person to question it in writing! I was focusing on a different subject so I didn't mention it in my recent posts, but my eyes did an Olympic-worthy roll when I read it. The only time I remember hearing in person someone speculate about actual polygynous partners was when my jerk of a brother would tease his wife about how he couldn't wait to get to the Celestial Kingdom so he could get assigned another mate. She was not amused. Maybe its a regional thing.

Yeah, well, I have heard it from multiple sources and witnessed it personally. So, yes, it happens, and it is not rare. It is more often the case that this happens among more mature, single women, who are implicitly encouraged by LDS theology and culture (and sometimes openly and explicitly encouraged) to imagine that they will be polygamously attached in the afterlife so long as they remain righteous in this one.

That could explain my lack of experience with it, I suppose. I do know single men and women would be told not to despair, they would eventually be assigned a companion in heaven; having been steeped in Mormon culture from birth it probably went right over my head how odd it was if the presumptive norm for that afterlife companionship for women was polygamous.

[_Kishkumen]

That could explain my lack of experience with it, I suppose. I do know single men and women would be told not to despair, they would eventually be assigned a companion in heaven; having been steeped in Mormon culture from birth it probably went right over my head how odd it was if the presumptive norm for that afterlife companionship for women was polygamous.

That and maybe people know you are not sympathetic to the idea of polygamy? I don't know. All I can tell you is that I have personally witnessed, on more than one occasion, single women, divorced or never married, talk about the possibility of being some handsome, active LDS guy's plural spouse in the hereafter. My mother thinks polygamy was false and a huge mistake, so she dismissed such chatter right away.