Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III

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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I

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Shulem wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote: Their response is not to agree he was a fraud, merely that he was wrong about what was on the source documents


Joseph Smith learned what was on the source documents by direct influence of the Holy Spirit.

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Remember the "Revelation to the twelve concerning the Times and Seasons" was given just prior to publishing the Book of Abraham whereby the revelations given though Joseph Smith about the Egyptian artifacts were nothing short of a "Verily thus saith the Lord!"

It wasn't Joseph Smith who was revealing the "diamond truth" or "solving mathematical problems" or "the errors of ages". No, it was the HOLY SPIRIT that was saying, "Behold the truth!"

What was that truth? The mummies were 3,500 years old and they were royal, one being a king. That was a declaration made by the prophet who got his information from none other than the Holy Spirit. The buck stops with the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost was wrong. The curse of the mummy got the better of him.

"Behold the mummies!"

:surprised:


Clearly it says "Any Holy Spirit" which means Smith was merely testing his followers, present and future. Move along!
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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It's here! It's alive!

Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part II

Click the link and scroll down to Part II!

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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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Absolutely D.E.V.A.S.T.A.T.I.N.G.

Showing the actual witnesses evidence and what Joseph Smith taught them and what they repeated. Brilliant!!!
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I

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Fence Sitter wrote:The Ta-sherit-Min scroll and the Hor scroll were not buried/found on the same mummy. Hor was male and Ta-sherit-Min was a female.

Unless they were found together in a compromising position.
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I

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moksha wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:The Ta-sherit-Min scroll and the Hor scroll were not buried/found on the same mummy. Hor was male and Ta-sherit-Min was a female.

Unless they were found together in a compromising position.

Everything would have been fine, the papyri were between them. If not, that has to be a world record for the longest held boner..... :wink:
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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Philo Sofee wrote:Absolutely D.E.V.A.S.T.A.T.I.N.G.

Showing the actual witnesses evidence and what Joseph Smith taught them and what they repeated. Brilliant!!!


Thanks, Philo, for the positive review!

When it comes down to it, all that really matters is what Joseph Smith said and that his followers believed in what he said with faith and determination. All that counts and all that matters is the combined words and testimony of Joseph Smith and his eyewitness followers! Mormons today can do nothing to change Smith's words or tell Smith what he really meant. Modern day apologists are attempting to rewrite history and change things in order to save their faith in the Book of Abraham. Today's saints don't accept the published account of the Book of Abraham in the same manner as the saints did when it was first published in the Times and Seasons and later canonized in 1880. Today's Mormons have taken a much different position and don't share that common ground in which the original Mormons had in the Book of Abraham translation ESPECIALLY the Explanations of the Facsimiles which are nothing but thorns on the Abrahamic bush.
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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Doctrine and Covenants Stories Chapter 38, The Pearl of Great Price
The Book of Abraham


I think it's appropriate to add some clips and snips about the Book of Abraham used by the church today to indoctrinate LDS children about the origins of the Book of Abraham.

I'll comment on them!

THE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS wrote:Image

The second part of the Pearl of Great Price is the book of Abraham. In July 1835, a man named Mr. Chandler came to Kirtland. He showed the Saints some mummies from Egypt. Long ago, people in Egypt used cloth to wrap the bodies of people who died. These bodies are called mummies.


These are the "4,000" year old mummies that were in possession of the rolls of Abraham and Joseph. One of them was a "king" of Egypt. Joseph Smith learned these things by revelation and the Holy Ghost confirmed it was true.

THE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS wrote:Image

Some rolls of very old paper were with the mummies. Some strange writing was on the paper, and Mr. Chandler was looking for someone who could read it. He had heard that Joseph Smith could translate the writing.


The ancient papyri contained the "writings" of Abraham and Joseph and the actual "signature" of Abraham was found therein. Joseph Smith was able to read the writing and he translated the hieroglyphic characters into the English language.

THE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS wrote:Image

Joseph looked at the writing. The Lord revealed to him what some of it meant, and he told Mr. Chandler. Some of the Saints bought the rolls of paper from Mr. Chandler.


Joseph Smith looked at the roll of "Abraham, written by his own hand," and knew what it meant. He looked at the vignette of Abraham sitting on the king's throne and called it Facsimile No. 3.

THE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS wrote:Image

Joseph Smith began to study the writing, and God revealed the translation to him. Oliver Cowdery and William Phelps wrote what Joseph translated. The writing was by the great prophet Abraham, who had lived in Egypt long ago.


Joseph Smith translated the scroll of Abraham from Egyptian into English by the revelation of God. He identified and revealed important people who met with the great prophet Abraham:

"King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head."

"Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand."

"Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand."
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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Shulem,

Terrific work!

What year did the church publish the cartoon representations of Joseph Smith translating the Book of Abraham, you just posted? And, are they still currently being used?
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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II

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Fence Sitter wrote:Shulem,

Terrific work!

What year did the church publish the cartoon representations of Joseph Smith translating the Book of Abraham, you just posted? And, are they still currently being used?


Thanks! Here is the link:

Doctrine and Covenants Stories wrote:
link:

Doctrine and Covenants Stories Chapter 38, The Pearl of Great Price
The Book of Abraham


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Re: Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III

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Oh what the hell.

:twisted:

I got to keep up with RFM! He's on a roll.

Without further ado, here's PART III

Here comes the Book of Abraham, baby! You will LEARN some amazing new things about the Book of Abraham -- I promise you that! This is cutting edge anti-apologetic material you don't want to miss! Get in the loop and stay informed!

Scroll on down to Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part III and find out what you don't know!

Are you ready? Woo hoo!

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And get ready for Part IV which will blow your mind!
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