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_Coggins7
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Nor, given the very real testimony I have of the Book of Abraham, do I feel I need to be. Scholarly support for the text is purely an appendage, as far as I am concerned.


If Scratch had ever actually been LDS, or if he actually understood the nuances of LDS apologetic thought, he would know that my meaning here is that scholarship or empirical evidence will never prove the Gospel true. Evidence in the mortal sphere is always and everywhere, too ambiguous or vague, too open to alternate interpretations, and too subject to varying perceptual biases, to make that a viable possibility.

Testimony is the core, the center of one's faith and commitment. Scholarship is never more than an appendage to that. Its purpose, in a Gospel context, is both to add support to the testimony one already has, and to fire the imagination and intellect to seek out more truth "by study and by faith" as part of one's mortal experience. Its function, with nonmembers is only to build bridges and break down walls by showing the plausibility of LDS claims and demonstrating that critics claims are not nearly as certain or water tight as they would have one believe. Only, however, when they receive the same testimony as the scholar who, for the sake of argument, deals in plausibilities and evidence, does plausibility and evidence cease to be the pivitol factors in accepting and living the Gospel.
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Post by _Jason Bourne »

Is that an excuse for misrepresenting them?


No.

Did I say it was?

No.
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This seems a pretty gross oversimplification. I mean, how would one quantify such a thing? "Same scrutiny"? How would we go about measuring that? Are all churches equally open and forthcoming about their doctrines, history, and finances? Do people have as many questions about other churches as they do about the LDS Church? The bottom line, in my view, is that all of this stuff should be fair game. Those who don't want certain questions to be asked only raise suspicion.



Spongehead: is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints running for President, or is Mitt Romney.
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Lol. While we're at it: "What does Hillary Clinton's gender have *ANYTHING* to do with her ability to govern? What does Britney Spears's wacked-out activities have *ANYTHING* to do with her ability to govern??? That's her PRIVATE LIFE! No one should be asking any questions about that!!!"



Gender has nothing to do with the ability to govern. Brittney Spears' wacked out activities have everything to do with the ability to govern just as Bill Clinton's whacked out activities in the oval office could have seriously compromised his ability to govern. Brittney Spears is an out of control addict, who's continued acting out would, among any rational person, preclude her from office.

Now Scratch, care to answer my question?
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Post by _the road to hana »

Coggins7 wrote:
This seems a pretty gross oversimplification. I mean, how would one quantify such a thing? "Same scrutiny"? How would we go about measuring that? Are all churches equally open and forthcoming about their doctrines, history, and finances? Do people have as many questions about other churches as they do about the LDS Church? The bottom line, in my view, is that all of this stuff should be fair game. Those who don't want certain questions to be asked only raise suspicion.



Spongehead: is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints running for President, or is Mitt Romney.


An excellent question.
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Post by _Coggins7 »

Care to answer the question hana, as opposed to making paranoid insinuations regarding an institution of which you clearly know next to nothing?
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Coggins7 wrote:
Nor, given the very real testimony I have of the Book of Abraham, do I feel I need to be. Scholarly support for the text is purely an appendage, as far as I am concerned.


If Scratch had ever actually been LDS, or if he actually understood the nuances of LDS apologetic thought, he would know that my meaning here is that scholarship or empirical evidence will never prove the Gospel true. Evidence in the mortal sphere is always and everywhere, too ambiguous or vague, too open to alternate interpretations, and too subject to varying perceptual biases, to make that a viable possibility.

Testimony is the core, the center of one's faith and commitment. Scholarship is never more than an appendage to that. Its purpose, in a Gospel context, is both to add support to the testimony one already has, and to fire the imagination and intellect to seek out more truth "by study and by faith" as part of one's mortal experience. Its function, with nonmembers is only to build bridges and break down walls by showing the plausibility of LDS claims and demonstrating that critics claims are not nearly as certain or water tight as they would have one believe. Only, however, when they receive the same testimony as the scholar who, for the sake of argument, deals in plausibilities and evidence, does plausibility and evidence cease to be the pivitol factors in accepting and living the Gospel.


Wow. Well, at least Coggs is honest about all of this. It would be fun to hear DCP or Bill Hamblin admit that all they are doing is "breaking down walls" and attacking critics just for the hell of it. Translated, this post basically says, "Who cares about 'evidence'? All I need is my testimony, which will never be shaken."

Gomer Pyle wrote:Gender has nothing to do with the ability to govern. Brittney Spears' wacked out activities have everything to do with the ability to govern just as Bill Clinton's whacked out activities in the oval office could have seriously compromised his ability to govern.


If Bill Clinton's relationship w/ M. Lewinski "could have seriously compromised his ability to govern" (and just how might that have worked, I wonder?), then it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that Romney's various "conferences" with the Brethren (not to mention his temple oaths) might "seriously compromise" his ability to serve the best interests of the American public.
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Post by _charity »

Mister Scratch wrote:
Any one who portrays themselves as having concerns about Romney's theology is fooling him/herself.


Likewise, any one who portrays him/herself as being upset that Romney is getting asked questions about theology is fooling him/herself.



This is not a correct statement. While the mentally challenged of the population may Twitter over whether the president wears boxers or briefs, at least the intelligent try to put up the facade of going by the Constitution, making a reasoned decision based on information. For them, and reporters generally are supposed to more intellignet than many having gone to college (boy do I wish I had a smilie to put in here for that concept!) to ask questions about religious clothing and your belief in a global flood just doesn't fit that scenario.
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Post by _harmony »

charity wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:
Any one who portrays themselves as having concerns about Romney's theology is fooling him/herself.


Likewise, any one who portrays him/herself as being upset that Romney is getting asked questions about theology is fooling him/herself.



This is not a correct statement. While the mentally challenged of the population may Twitter over whether the president wears boxers or briefs, at least the intelligent try to put up the facade of going by the Constitution, making a reasoned decision based on information. For them, and reporters generally are supposed to more intellignet than many having gone to college (boy do I wish I had a smilie to put in here for that concept!) to ask questions about religious clothing and your belief in a global flood just doesn't fit that scenario.


A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.
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Post by _moksha »

What is that Sealing Policies stuff doing at the top of Romney's thread anyway?


Was wondering if Brittney Spears were to beat out Mitt in any of the polls if it could be attributed to anti-mormonism? Can't wait to catch the political scoop at Church tomorrow.
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