BC's View of LDS Doctrine -- Is It Doctrine?

Post by **_beastie** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:13 pm

What makes you think it's unreliable?

I'm an atheist. I think all revelation originates from the mind of human beings and is inherently unreliable.

Now please answer the question. Reliable revelation or not?

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:27 am

What makes you think it's unreliable?

I'm an atheist. I think all revelation originates from the mind of human beings and is inherently unreliable.

Now please answer the question. Reliable revelation or not?

I have answered the question with a rhetorical question of my own.

Post by **_beastie** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:24 am

I have answered the question with a rhetorical question of my own.

Oh, for heaven's sake, why can't you simply answer the question? I'll play your guessing game and assume you're saying "yes, I believe this was reliable revelation".

In other words, you believe in AND worship a monster god who would not only command his "chosen" people to commit genocide, but then order them to engage in mass rape of the young females spared for that purpose only.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but I think that's sick. Really sick.

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:55 am

Why Numbers? I think it's somewhat disengenuous of you not to go straight to Genesis 7 preferring sensationalism.

Post by **_beastie** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:04 am

I just picked some stories that I remembered. I know there is a ton of other "sensational" stuff in there. It's repulsive, and anyone who imagines that God really ordered this junk AND still chooses to worship this god has some real issues, as far as I'm concerned. You're no better than the peon of the mafia don, who knows that the don is a vicious, amoral killer, but still kisses the ring in order to benefit from borrowed power.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:02 pm

truth dancer wrote:So BC...

Lets go with your belief that anything published by the LDS church is LDS doctrine.

Do you think all LDS official doctrine is true?

If one is a believer in the LDS church does this assume they believe or agree with LDS doctrine?

Can one be a member of the LDS church in good standing and believe some doctrine is completely wrong?

What is the purpose of doctrine if members don't believe it? Or if it is not true?

~dancer~

BC, trying to get you to answer questions is like trying to figure out what is doctrine... nearly impossible! ;-)

Would you mind responding so we can get a sense what you believe?

Do you believe LDS doctrine is true?

~dancer~

Post by **_JonasS** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:50 pm

Who decides what doctrine is? What constitutes doctrine? Surely if the prophet prophesies, it should be made doctrine like the ancient prophecies become in the Scriptures. Why would the church be scared to bring out new doctrine?

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:43 pm

I just picked some stories that I remembered. I know there is a ton of other "sensational" stuff in there. It's repulsive, and anyone who imagines that God really ordered this junk AND still chooses to worship this god has some real issues, as far as I'm concerned. You're no better than the peon of the mafia don, who knows that the don is a vicious, amoral killer, but still kisses the ring in order to benefit from borrowed power.

I find supporting the homosexual lifestyle choice, abortion as a method of birth control, and socialism to be just as vile and disgusting and a greater cause of death.

Post by **_Paul Kemp** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:55 pm

bcspace wrote:
I find supporting the homosexual lifestyle choice, abortion as a method of birth control, and socialism to be just as vile and disgusting and a greater cause of death.

"supporting the homosexual lifestyle" = rape and genocide perpetrated on behalf of the God of the Old Testament

You can't be serious.

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:55 pm

Lets go with your belief that anything published by the LDS church is LDS doctrine.

That is the Church's own statement, not my belief.

Do you think all LDS official doctrine is true?

I believe there are some minor nit picky things that are doctrine but probably aren't or might not be true imho, such as the global flood.

If one is a believer in the LDS church does this assume they believe or agree with LDS doctrine?

Yes. How much a believer one is depends on how much of the doctrine one believes.

Can one be a member of the LDS church in good standing and believe some doctrine is completely wrong?

The Church allows for this yes. It depends on what that individual does about such unbelief.

What is the purpose of doctrine if members don't believe it? Or if it is not true?

Whatever purpose the doctrine may claim to be. The unbelieving member could certainly also be wrong.