I admire Joseph Smith.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

Sure, why not! Name someone.

Ceeboo

I stand corrected!

[_why me]

Joseph Smith and his activities is the subject here not the Catholic church. What's amazing is your best defense of Joseph Smith is "look at all the bad Catholics" pfft. "Glass looking" a business what a laugh, it was a scam nothing more. As to Paul, at least he repented of his past Joseph Smith just moved on from cheating men out their money to cheating them out of their daughters and wives.

The only thing worse than a former Mormon attacking the LDS church is a catholic who attacks the LDS church while overlooking the negatives of their own church. And you fit this bill to a tee. The catholic taliban over on the catholic taliban site were infamous for this.

[_why me]

Good morning why me,

Amazing how you overlook the catholic religion.

Amazing how you obsess over the Catholic religion.

Do you think that the catholic church became so powerful in the past based a ethical principles?

Do you think that the Catholic church should be at the center of a discussion titled "I admire Joseph Smith"?

You need to read some catholic history.

You need to join a Catholic discussion board.

Now of course, we can look into apostle Paul's murderous past and judge him severely. And yet, Paul was a good guy, right?

Now of course, when discussing Joseph Smith, we should not be looking into the past of the apostle Paul, George Washington, Babe Ruth, or Plato because, well, they are not connected to and have nothing to do with Joseph Smith.


Peace,
Ceeboo

I know café from the catholic board. She made it a habit of calling me a hypocrite and a liar. She routinely attacked the LDS church on that board while ignoring the negatives of the catholic religion. And you are too far off the mark also.

I was banned from the catholic taliban board for defending the LDS church and for calling out the hypocrisy of catholics who bashed the LDS church over history and doctrine. And so anytime café mentions the LDS church in a negative way, she needs to own up to the history and problems in the catholic faith. No faith is perfect, nor are their leaders.

[_jon]

why me - ''No faith is perfect, nor are their leaders.''
Except the Mormon Church claims to be the one true Church restored by Jesus Christ who sits at its head. That is a claim of perfection.

Now, if that's not the case and the Church (the Mormon Faith) is 'imperfect' - then why did Christ restore something imperfectly...?

[_sock puppet]

I know café from the catholic board. She made it a habit of calling me a hypocrite and a liar. She routinely attacked the LDS church on that board ... .

I admire café crema.

[_Ceeboo]

She routinely attacked the LDS church on that board while ignoring the negatives of the catholic religion. And you are too far off the mark also.

Hey why me,

You suggest: " And you (I think that means Ceeboo, yes?) are too far off the mark also"

If you would, could you clarify a little? (I am confused as to what you mean. Seriously)

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

[_Quasimodo]

why me - ''No faith is perfect, nor are their leaders.''
Except the Mormon Church claims to be the one true Church restored by Jesus Christ who sits at its head. That is a claim of perfection.

Now, if that's not the case and the Church (the Mormon Faith) is 'imperfect' - then why did Christ restore something imperfectly...?

Excellent point, jon!

If it's imperfect (as why me states), why give it any more credence than the thousands of other religions out there?

[_why me]

why me - ''No faith is perfect, nor are their leaders.''
Except the Mormon Church claims to be the one true Church restored by Jesus Christ who sits at its head. That is a claim of perfection.

Now, if that's not the case and the Church (the Mormon Faith) is 'imperfect' - then why did Christ restore something imperfectly...?

Yes, it is unfortunate that we humans are imperfect. No question about it. Our imperfection does cause pain to the earth and to each other. And it is unfortunate that LDS leaders can not be perfect to create a perfect church history. But what can we do? We are all only human.

[_why me]

She routinely attacked the LDS church on that board while ignoring the negatives of the catholic religion. And you are too far off the mark also.

Hey why me,

You suggest: " And you (I think that means Ceeboo, yes?) are too far off the mark also"

If you would, could you clarify a little? (I am confused as to what you mean. Seriously)

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

It should have read: and you are not too far off the mark also. If I remember correctly you have many posts on the former MAD forum. I think that you know much about the LDS church. At times I feel that you are here to celebrate the negativity on this board about the LDS church. And of course your celebration is a quiet celebration. I suppose that it would be the same if I were diehard Mormon posting on a anticatholic site listening to the diatribes against the catholic church, giving a sympathetic ear and making questions to the catholic critics that tend to be supportive.

[_jon]

why me - ''No faith is perfect, nor are their leaders.''
Except the Mormon Church claims to be the one true Church restored by Jesus Christ who sits at its head. That is a claim of perfection.

Now, if that's not the case and the Church (the Mormon Faith) is 'imperfect' - then why did Christ restore something imperfectly...?

Yes, it is unfortunate that we humans are imperfect. No question about it. Our imperfection does cause pain to the earth and to each other. And it is unfortunate that LDS leaders can not be perfect to create a perfect church history. But what can we do? We are all only human.

Hmmm...
I think we agree that humans are imperfect and we agree that actual Church history is not what one would expect from the Lords one true Church nor its leaders.
However you said 'No faith is perfect'. The Mormon 'Faith' was restored by Christ - did he restore something imperfectly or is the current Church in apostasy?

Also, Church Prophets are not 'only human' as you put it. They are Christs representative on earth, chosen by Him, acting under His direction, carrying out His instructions - are you saying that Christ leads them astray? Are they not good listeners? Or do they not actually recive instructions directly from Christ?