Show me a religious organization without a sordid past

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Re: Show me a religious organization without a sordid past

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Quasimodo wrote:
Simon Belmont wrote: So show me a religious organization without a sordid history.


With the possible exception of Buddhism (if in fact that is a religion rather than a philosophy), they all have things to answer for. All Christian religions are spin offs of the Roman Catholic Church (with some very minor exceptions) even the Mormons... sorry, I should say LDS.

Saying the LDS are no worse than the others is very faint praise. My view would be that they are "just as bad".


Actually, Buddhism does have a sexist past from what I have read.
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liz3564 wrote:
Markk wrote:Will you denounce the Book of Mormon for teaching racism in that it teaches God turned folks Black as a sign of a curse?


CFR
just me wrote:2 Nephi 5:21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.


It seems that the theological myths as to why different peoples have different skin colors has become problematic in light of scientific, sociological and personal knowledge that people are not evil because of their skin color, and that it would be an unjust god that would 'curse' people for what the myth claims were the 'sins of their fathers'--in short, we have myths that cannot be successfully extracted in tact from the 19th Century granite in which carved.

Interestingly, the Book of Mormon that contains the racist and repugnant 2 Nephi 5:21 quoted by just me was first published in 1830. Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huck Finn, was first published in 1884 (first in USA in 1885). Quite a difference in approach to racism. Almost in the meridian of those 55 years--in 1861--Twain visited Salt Lake City. I wonder how much, if any, Twain's opinions found in Huck Finn were in reaction to what he might have detected of Mormon racisim in Salt Lake City in 1861.

by the way, I feel more enlightenment from reading Huck Finn than ever from reading the Book of Mormon. It might be that Huck Finn doesn't come across nearly as sanctimonious and judgmental as does the Book of Mormon.
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just me wrote:Actually, Buddhism does have a sexist past from what I have read.


Fair enough! I was unaware of that, but I can see how that would be possible. So, that leaves virtually no religions that are without taint.

Maybe we should start a new one that refutes all prejudices and claims no "special" knowledge of God (or any knowledge of God at all). Call it "Honestism". :)
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Quasimodo wrote:
just me wrote:Actually, Buddhism does have a sexist past from what I have read.


Fair enough! I was unaware of that, but I can see how that would be possible. So, that leaves virtually no religions that are without taint.

Maybe we should start a new one that refutes all prejudices and claims no "special" knowledge of God (or any knowledge of God at all). Call it "Honestism". :)

Or, we can simply espouse honestism on an individual basis, without the need for any religion or other structured organization.
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Just for fun:

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sock puppet wrote:Or, we can simply espouse honestism on an individual basis, without the need for any religion or other structured organization.


Who's going to run the Bingo games?
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Quasimodo wrote:Who's going to run the Bingo games?

Robots. They don't have a sordid past. They just have a sordid future. I for one welcome our new computer overlords.
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asbestosman wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:Who's going to run the Bingo games?

Robots. They don't have a sordid past. They just have a sordid future. I for one welcome our new computer overlords.

Interesting twist, future not past sordidness. Count Simon in for future Robotism and its sordidness.
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asbestosman wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:Who's going to run the Bingo games?

Robots. They don't have a sordid past. They just have a sordid future. I for one welcome our new computer overlords.


I hope your optimistic view of computers proves true. Personally, I'm skeptical. I make my living on computers and I have no love for them. I'm often forced to use blasphemousness words when using them.

I have one program that I need to use on a regular basis that I'm sure is a spawn of Satan.
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sock puppet wrote:Or, we can simply espouse honestism on an individual basis, without the need for any religion or other structured organization.


Then how will we collect tithes and offerings?
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