Kishkumen wrote:You go after a group of people who sponsor a site called "StayLDS"?
Uh, can anyone say PR nightmare? Witch hunt? McCarthyesque purge?
It's a problem only if the press knows and is interested. Otherwise, who's going to know?
I think it is only a matter of time before the press is made aware of this. After all, Dehlin is involved, and even if he keeps his word about remaining quiet (and I bet anything they told him to), his LDS friends with contacts in the press, or who are journalists themselves, will not stay silent.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
zeezrom wrote:There is a group of "middle way" Mormons in the Logan area who LDS considers to be a threat to the church.
It is fascinating to observe the steadily evolving idiom of apostate Mormonism.
"Middle way." That's pretty funny.
Why am I reminded of the days in my history class when we learned about Stalin?
Free association?
I thought myself the wiser to have viewed the evidence left of such a great demise. I followed every step. But the only thing I ever learned before the journey's end was there was nothing there to learn, only something to forget.
Will Schryver wrote:It is fascinating to observe the steadily evolving idiom of apostate Mormonism.
"Middle way." That's pretty funny.
Hi Will. Just to clarify - do you consider Middle Way as loosely defined in the cited articles to be apostasy? Why or why not?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
zeezrom wrote:Hi Will. Just to clarify - do you consider Middle Way as loosely defined in the cited articles to be apostasy? Why or why not?
I always thought that apostasy meant a deliberat effort to undermine the church and the faith of its members. These folks may not be traditional believers, but I'm not sure how they qualify as apostates. Of course, I'm an apostate myself, so you have to take what I say with a grain of salt.
Personally, I think the behavior of some apologists does far more to undermine the church than do the activities of folks like John Dehlin.
Will Schryver wrote:It is fascinating to observe the steadily evolving idiom of apostate Mormonism. "Middle way." That's pretty funny.
Gee I wonder what percentage of the 18% of the membership that actually shows up at least once per month are fifth columnist, um I mean middle way’ers?
Will Schryver wrote:It is fascinating to observe the steadily evolving idiom of apostate Mormonism. "Middle way." That's pretty funny.
Gee I wonder what percentage of the 18% of the membership that actually shows up at least once per month are fifth columnist, um I mean middle way’ers?
Now that's what is pretty funny.
Where did you come up with this statistic?
... she said that she was ready to drive up to Salt Lake City and confront ... Church leaders ... while well armed. The idea was ... dropped ... [because] she didn't have a 12 gauge with her. -DrW about his friends (Link)
Nomad wrote:Where did you come up with this statistic?
lds-membership-numbers .. see second post, and feel free to report on your ward based on my last post there
As I suspected: an anecdotal hearsay report, "from way up the ladder". lol
I mean, who would have reason to doubt John Dehlin as a source for activity rates?
The attendance rate in my ward is between 45% - 55%. Full tithe payers are less. Probably around 35%.
I do agree that 18% (or less) of the members do 90% of the work in a ward. But I think it's always been that way.
I don't doubt that there are <20% attendance rates in lots of the non-American congregations, but I've never been in or heard of attendance rates that low in any North American ward. Maybe I've just been lucky.
... she said that she was ready to drive up to Salt Lake City and confront ... Church leaders ... while well armed. The idea was ... dropped ... [because] she didn't have a 12 gauge with her. -DrW about his friends (Link)
Nomad, I'm sure that activity rates in Utah do better than the rest of the US and the world. But heck why not, if the 35% of Utah membership that pays tithes is willing to continue to finance a worldwide church, that would certainly warrant larger mansions in heaven … likely worth it.
However when I was the financial ward clerk in 2000, 35% of the ward membership did not hold TR’s. It was closer to 15% if I remember right. But that has been 11 years ago and maybe things got better. Good thing there are seven heavens and concrete qualification lists to help keep the wheat separate from the tares.
also note: I keep seeing reduction stories like the following ... in US
Nomad wrote:I mean, who would have reason to doubt John Dehlin as a source for activity rates?
The attendance rate in my ward is between 45% - 55%. Full tithe payers are less. Probably around 35%.
I do agree that 18% (or less) of the members do 90% of the work in a ward. But I think it's always been that way.
I don't doubt that there are <20% attendance rates in lots of the non-American congregations, but I've never been in or heard of attendance rates that low in any North American ward. Maybe I've just been lucky.
It's not like Dehlin was rejoicing over the bad news.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist