Racist Teachings Make me Sick

[_Chap]

I don't fault her at all for posting her OP. However, this is what I can fault her for: she just sat there and said nothing. And she certainly could have said something. She didn't need to sound confrontational or controversial. She could have just made a comment to this effect: are you sure that they were becoming physically whiter because that sounds a little strange or racist. Maybe they began to live a more purer life but their skon color certainly did not change.

No problem.

Why Me,

You are being a hypocrite, faulting someone for not speaking up in Church when you yourself are too cowardly to even attend. Grow a pair, get back to Church and start sticking your hand up in lessons - then come back and tell us all how easy it was.

While I deprecate your implied assumption that only people with testicles can show courage (really a silly idiom, don't you think?) I agree that whyme's smugly hypocritical posts are a bit nauseating, quite apart from the fact that they are so predictable that they could easily be from a chatbot rather than a human being.

That's why I have him on ignore. I only see his posts if other people quote them, or if I view the board without logging on. It is really no loss at all.

[_Sethbag]

She's hardly unknown to us, here. Thank the gods that there are outlets like this forum, where just me can feel that it's safe to speak. By speaking here, she encourages dialogue and self-reflection. You can hardly fault that, why me.

Hardly, but he'll find a way. Why Me is not a faithful saint, and knows it, and thinks at some level between subconscious and guilty conscience that if he just sticks up for the church in an online forum, he'll be found valiant enough at the last day.

[_Buffalo]

Did anyone take notice here that this is a...uh...story, from Justme, someone who is clearly short a few spark plugs? Few, if any in the Church actually believe this. Most understand such changes to be due to the continuous and increasing intermarriage between ethnic groups that is sure to increase dramatically in the future.

What's really sickening, ad infinitum, is the nauseating leftist psuodo-moral grandstanding people like Justme, who appear to have no actual moral values at all worth holding, in a personal sense, trot out in public when they want to bask in their own politically correct self righteousness.

Sick indeed, as well as delusional.

It's sick to see the apostate Droopy mocking and rejecting the inspired teachings of Spencer W. Kimball.

[_Buffalo]

Why does Why Me persist in pretending he knows ANYTHING about Mormonism? Stick to the two subjects you know something about, Why Me: catholicism and saying creepy things about teenagers.

[_just me]

And as long as Mormons like just me remain silent, the lore will remain. But then again, just me is usually silent in class except here on this forum where she can be unknown.

She's hardly unknown to us, here. Thank the gods that there are outlets like this forum, where just me can feel that it's safe to speak. By speaking here, she encourages dialogue and self-reflection. You can hardly fault that, why me.

What the hell am I saying? Of course you will.

Thank you for your kind words.

why me is able to find fault with everything and everyone that is not a believing Mormon, leader of the LDS church or the LDS church itself-the teachings, doctrines and practices.


What I would like to know is what members are supposed to say about the racism WITHIN the text of the Book of Mormon. Not only is it there in our manuals, it is in our sacred texts. Am I really expected to tell a class of 30-50 adults that the Book of Mormon is teaching us something racist and so we should reject that part? I am positive that would not go over well.

The teaching---DOCTRINE---that God turns people's skin dark/brown/black if they sin is RACIST. It is a racist doctrine.

The belief that Hebrews came to ancient America and built the mounds was a racist belief based on the then current view of Native Americans. Look at the quote Blixa posted here. You can see the cultural superiority oozing from it!

The belief that people of other races and cultures need to turn their back on their culture/religion and become Mormon and dress like us (N. Am) and talk like us and act like us is racist.
Just because other Christians have been a part of this type of thing doesn't mean it is okay. It doesn't make it okay.

There is irony in having the same people who claim our society is so terrible wanting to foist our style of society on the rest of the world.

[_Jason Bourne]

Loran,

With regard to the story mentioned in the OP. I asked you these two questions previously without response from you.

Why is this story being used in church?
What is the intended message or teaching of this story?

Jersey Girl

1. Because some people don't understand, and take a very uncritical attitude towards their own church's teachings.

So the member in the pew that learned from SWK and others, as well as the Book of Mormon, that as the lamanites accept the gospel their skin would become more white is the one to be blamed?

If I recall the Book of Mormon used to say as such converted they would become WHITE and delightsome that that was later changed (and this recently) to PURE and delightsome.

Really, this member that told the story is simply parroting what the very leaders of the LDS Church have taught in times passed. I don't recall anyone ever repudiating this either.

So sure it is nonsense and I agree that it is not taught authoritatively today. But there was a time it certainly was.

2. Apparently, that at some point in the Latter Days, some among the Laminates would, through intermarriage brought about by acceptance of the gospel and cultural interaction, return to, or very close to, the appearance their ancestors had when they first arrived on the American continent.

Really? CFR for an authoritative source that this is what the LDS leaders were teaching and that it is what they meant when they taught that skin color would change.

[_why me]

Why Me,

You are being a hypocrite, faulting someone for not speaking up in Church when you yourself are too cowardly to even attend. Grow a pair, get back to Church and start sticking your hand up in lessons - then come back and tell us all how easy it was.

I do attend. I live in two areas and depending on the area that I am in I either attend sunday school or sacrament and priesthood. And I do speak up in priesthood and sunday school. I have never supported the culture of silence, not in church or in society.

And this is why I think that Just Me could have said something. She didn't need to let the comment fly... she could have opened her mouth and made a difference. She chose to be silent.

[_why me]

So, Brigham lived in his "moment" -- kind of like being in the Dark Ages when man was so unenlightened by science & art and social understandings. So, you'd just give Brigham a free pass because after all he's a product of his time and such a one cannot be properly taught by an underling.

Good one, Why Me -- you are such a saint in your own time.

Paul O

I would give Brigham a free pass as I would my own father who also lived in the moment of his own time. During the riots in the 60s he went out and bought a shot gun to protect his family from the rioters. He also had some typical choice words for african americans. But then again, african americans had some choice words for whites. Such was the moment.

[_why me]

Hardly, but he'll find a way. Why Me is not a faithful saint, and knows it, and thinks at some level between subconscious and guilty conscience that if he just sticks up for the church in an online forum, he'll be found valiant enough at the last day.

Not true at all. I know where I am heading if the LDS church is true. No board will save me from my fate. But I can not tolerate someone who bitches and complains on a board and remains silent when a voice could make a difference in such a situation that just me found herself in. And that was my point.

[_Darth J]

I'm going to have to go with Why Me here.

If Just Me would have said something in her Relief Society class, the Church would have changed the Book of Mormon so it no longer says that the Lamanites had their skin turned dark and they become a loathsome and degenerate people because of rejecting God, and that they must become Mormons to be redeemed from the decadent state of their ethnicity.

And undoubtedly, these women who were becoming emotional at the thought of missionaries rescuing people from the degenerate status they have inherited by being born into an ethnic group would have been persuaded by Just Me's logic and rational thinking.

Just Me could have made a difference. Instead, she remained part of the conspiracy of silence.