Chumps, I'll see ya around

[_mfbukowski]

Even Habermas would not claim it to be merely an "attitude" more than anything. Glad to see you can source an encyclopedia.

A truly substantive reply.

I respond at the level of the audience. Read wikipedia, it is easier to understand.

[_LDSToronto]

Even Habermas would not claim it to be merely an "attitude" more than anything. Glad to see you can source an encyclopedia.

A truly substantive reply.

I respond at the level of the audience. Read wikipedia, it is easier to understand.

Christ, mfbukowski...

[_MrStakhanovite]

I’m surprised Bukowski even bothered with Runtu about Postmodernism to be honest. I think it is fairly clear that Bukowski has his mind made up that some weird hybrid of William James, Whitehead and Wittgenstein is some precursor to LDS theology.

It’s like this weird mash of naïve empiricism, vulgar pragmaticism, and a seriously disturbed notion of “language games” that nobody here is allowed to understand. He is immune to criticism by self declaration, and the rest of us are just punching bags he can spar on in the great War On Critics.

This is why Bukowski can talk down to Blixa, who has actually published a great deal on Postmodernism. You don’t get to see it on the board much, but Blixa knows her stuff when it comes to Critical Theory, if anyone can speak on what Postmodernism is, it’s Blixa.

[_Morley]

Anyone want to suggest a primer on postmodernity? You can post it here or shoot me a PM. Thanks.

[_jo1952]

Hey LDST:

First of all, I agree with what you said about Dr. Shades. I do not find this website to be the cesspool PaPa called it. I think the Chat Room is a great tool to help us to get to know each other on a more personal level. The chat room over at MD&B was pretty much dead.

I remember seeing some of your posts over there, and may have even responded to you - I can't look now though because I have been banned. (LDSFAQS - I know you told me how to get around that - but frankly, I'm not sure that I want to.)

I very much appreciate the way this board is moderated. There does not appear to be any favoritism; it respects everybody's point of view regardless of their religious or non-religious outlook. Is it a challenge for devout LDS? I would say it is not as bad as Tweb...and is much more fair in that we are allowed to post wherever we want to.

Now, please be honest with me. How am I doing here so far? I've been posting for at least three weeks now (though I joined back in Oct 2011). So far, there is only one name that I cringe at, and another is borderline cring-able. But I have not seen or come up against anything I have not come up against before.

I know my beliefs aren't the typical LDS spin - but I believe that's because that just happens to be where I am currently at in my journey. I truly do love this website and its posters. LDST, in particular, I love you. For what it is worth, I do not see you as an apostate so much as I see someone trying to understand their ideas about God. Who are any of us to say that this is not a good thing? (In fact, I think that is what MFB was trying to say when he said you still didn't understand him (or whatever the words were he used to convey that message). If I have read him correctly over on MD&B, he also does not hold to the traditional LDS professed belief (because I think many LDS don't truly understand what their own beliefs look like -- though I will also say the same thing about other religions and non-religions), which, in English, means (I think) that he believes in almost a universal or quasi-universal salvation, regardless of what religious institution you do or do not belong to.

My love for all of mankind is very great; and I cannot be dissuaded to change how I now see the world. No matter where anyone is, it is where they currently need to be. I'm not here to preach; I am here to learn where people are coming from, because within them, I see the seeds which God is working with in achieving His own purposes. He loves all of us - His greatest commandments are to love Him and to love others. If we don't know Him, but love others, the loving others STILL works in our favor. Our righteousness is counted in accordance to our faithfulness to what we do believe; not if what we believe is correct or not. I am also here to share my own experiences and what my beliefs look like to me. My purpose in sharing them is not to force them on anyone else, or to claim that they are even correct, or worse yet, the ONLY correct beliefs to hold about God. How preposterous!

Do you not all see??? We are eternal; this stop in the flesh is only a minute portion of our eternal existence. It is a classroom - it isn't even pass or fail; it's whatever we make of it because it is not the end of our eternal progression.

I don't see anything in the world the way that I used to. You ALL have something to offer one another. I'm still stuck in the world, while my spirit grows in understanding. So the world still has power over my physical being; yet my spirit belongs to Father. I love my Father and my Savior so much. I love all of you so much that my spirit has trouble staying within its body of flesh, or I would be embracing every single one of you.

So here's the thing, my spirit is strong; but the flesh is weak. I need to know how I am perceived and how you think I am doing. Am I a pain in the ass? Are you glad that I am here? What you see with me is what you get. I have no hidden agendas; I have no agenda save to glorify my God and to love all of His children.

Love,

jo

[_Blixa]

Anyone want to suggest a primer on postmodernity? You can post it here or shoot me a PM. Thanks.

If you can wait til the weekend (and possibly remind me again because I'm in the last week of the semester), I'll pm you the two page handout I use to introduce postmodern ideas to freshmen as well as a suggested introductory text or two.

Stak is very kind. I would not say I have published a great deal on postmodernism, but I have taught classes in postmodern theory for close to 25 years now. I also once directed a person's master's thesis on postmodern theory for a dual masters in philosophy and literature. I also exist in traces on the margin: I show up in a book on Gayatri Spivak and in the Index, next to the name Marx, Karl, in a book on postmodernity and Latin American art and in the footnotes of a couple of books on pedagogy and postmodernism.

If you can't wait, I daresay you could look up the old thread where runtu tried to break down the anti-foundational "foundations" of postmodern thought for MFB. Runtu has a solid understanding; after all he had the opportunity to take classes from and study with Terry Eagleton. Alas, I only had the opportunity to take a few seminars with Paul de Man, Derrida, Fredric Jameson and Gayatri Spivak.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I love it when Mormons out themselves with their assholishness toward other members who are struggling with their faith.

[_Runtu]

A truly substantive reply.

I respond at the level of the audience. Read wikipedia, it is easier to understand.

For heaven's sake, give it a rest. Blixa is an academic who has long studied and taught postmodernism. There's no need to be snotty to her.

[_thews]

Do you not all see??? We are eternal; this stop in the flesh is only a minute portion of our eternal existence. It is a classroom - it isn't even pass or fail; it's whatever we make of it because it is not the end of our eternal progression.

I agree with this.

I don't see anything in the world the way that I used to. You ALL have something to offer one another. I'm still stuck in the world, while my spirit grows in understanding. So the world still has power over my physical being; yet my spirit belongs to Father. I love my Father and my Savior so much.

Do you mean your dad and your God? According to Christianity, there is only one God. According to Joseph Smith, he is a God.

So here's the thing, my spirit is strong; but the flesh is weak. I need to know how I am perceived and how you think I am doing. Am I a pain in the ass? Are you glad that I am here? What you see with me is what you get. I have no hidden agendas; I have no agenda save to glorify my God and to love all of His children.

Love,

jo

It would be nice if conversations were finished. Acknowledging someone (critic) has made a valid point you simply cannot answer with sound logic is an option, but the other option is to simply fade from the conversation. You seem like a nice person, but I don't understand how you can place faith in occult seer stones bringing a message from God, nor an incorrectly translated passage from the pagan book of the dead as Christian. In other words, your spirituality is rooted in a religion that isn't from God (in my opinion).

[_Runtu]

If you can't wait, I daresay you could look up the old thread where runtu tried to break down the anti-foundational "foundations" of postmodern thought for MFB. Runtu has a solid understanding; after all he had the opportunity to take classes from and study with Terry Eagleton. Alas, I only had the opportunity to take a few seminars with Paul de Man, Derrida, Fredric Jameson and Gayatri Spivak.

To be fair, I did attend a seminar that Terry Eagleton presented, and ended up having lunch with him, which was a real treat. I know he drives a lot of people crazy, but he is a lovely, brilliant, cantankerous soul, and I very much enjoyed his lectures and company. Plus, he married a friend of mine from BYU (that seminar apparently affected a lot of us), so I've had some indirect correspondence with him through her.

I think a good source for an overview and background to postmodernism is Eagleton's "Literary Theory: An Introduction," which is a short, easy to read book that lays out the development of literary theory and philosophy through postmodernism. It's not exhaustive, obviously, but it's a good start, and probably easier to understand than what I wrote in my series of posts.

I'm not surprised that Blixa has studied with the people she has; it shows in her thorough understanding of postmodern thought and theory. I have always had a soft spot for De Man, maybe because he's so evil. In grad school, we used to call his theory De Maniacal. LOL

For anyone to talk down to Blixa on these issues is silly and completely unwarranted.