Male Mormons, Ex-Mormons, and Non-Mormons.

[_honorentheos]

And I think that's what honoretheos was talking about..that you didn't acknowledge any wrong doing in escalating the situation with Cam. I appreciate that the moderation fails to protect anyone from harassment and the choices are either reply in kind or ignore.

Hi Marg. I'd say that's partially it, and the more important part. And your second sentence above is something that I'm thinking more about. Personally, I appreciated Liz's immediate moderation in the thread and saw it as even-handed. I think she did right by board rules. But you're right that in protecting people's rights to speech there is no institutional consequence for posting such which leaves posters to deal with things themselves. For the board to remain civil, we are reliant on one another to exercise our judgement and show restraint/maturity when confronted with the opposite. As you know, this sounds better on paper than it appears to function in practise.

I appreciate that you shared a similar observation and were willing to express it at some cost to yourself as you are now the subject of the dog pile. I apologize for beginning the conversation that moved things to this point.

I also don't have much else to say in this thread. I only returned, actually, because I didn't think it was fair to leave you to bear the attack when you volunteered to support my view. I sincerely appreciate that. But I think I am going to follow the advise you gave MsJack regarding walking away from a conversation that isn't serving any benefit. I still feel the same about MsJack's response and while it may not have come across this way, it was born out of surprise because I genuinely like her and usually admire her contribution to the online world of Mormonism. I don't see a qualitative difference between the accusations she's made about Cam in real life and his insult of her husband and their relationship. I don't think they're the same thing, but in order of magnitude I tend to think the nuclear option was exercised in that thread multiple times, and Cam wasn't the first person to push the button. And we all know how nuclear wars tend to play out. All it takes is one person who chooses to push the button and then everyone is riding their H-bombs rodeo style.

[_MsJack]

I still feel the same about MsJack's response and while it may not have come across this way, it was born out of surprise because I genuinely like her and usually admire her contribution to the online world of Mormonism. I don't see a qualitative difference between the accusations she's made about Cam in real life and his insult of her husband and their relationship. I don't think they're the same thing, but in order of magnitude I tend to think the nuclear option was exercised in that thread multiple times, and Cam wasn't the first person to push the button. And we all know how nuclear wars tend to play out. All it takes is one person who chooses to push the button and then everyone is riding their H-bombs rodeo style.

Well, honorentheos, I generally like and respect you as well and have been somewhat baffled by your criticisms of me in this thread. You are the only person on this thread whose response has really surprised me. I mean, you've been factually wrong, and then you've refused to back down and acknowledge that you got it wrong when that's been demonstrated. It's a bit out-of-character for you.

I think I understand what's happened now though. It looks like you have the tendency to side with people whom you see as being "dogpiled" regardless of their own bad behavior. While I do think that "dogpiling" happens at MDB, I also think that if someone is gratuitously mean and nasty to a lot of different people, there's a good chance that person will eventually wind up getting a lot of heat from different people. That is what happened with CamNC4Me and that is what has happened with marg.

Anyways, I think this thread has run its course and I will post my thoughts on ye olde "dogpile" accusation in a new thread. You take care.

[_EAllusion]

Probably the largest volume of my contradictory posts go to replying to Stak. (Don't become another Micheal Ruse Stak!)

Since we're both philosophically inclined atheists capable of getting along, I get others seeing us as two peas in a pod, but you haven't been paying attention if you think we are agree-bots who jump from thread to thread defending one another against the barbarian hordes. If all you were doing was reading marg posts, you'd think we were the pupae twins and MsJack was Dr. Girlfriend. I guess when marg even interprets me criticizing his treatment of her as cheering him on, there's not much I can do.

I respect MsJack, but it's just weird to think we're chums leaping to one another's defense. Case in point, while I think Dr. Cam was behaving badly and MsJack has every right to be sensitive on this subject, I think its so pathetic of him that MsJack should just ignore it and move on rather than threaten to leave the board. I can't tell her how to feel, but my advice is to not let it get to her and realize that he's tying his own noose in the eyes of onlookers like me.

[_MsJack]

I guess when marg even interprets me criticizing his treatment of her as cheering him on, there's not much I can do.

I remember that. It was kind of a backhanded way of telling Stak to knock it off, and I can understand why marg was further hurt by it. But it's definitely incorrect to say that you were egging Stak on. I believe you were one of the only people who told him to stop.

EDIT: Found the post where EA supposedly egged Stak on. He told Stak that it was tasteless for him to compare marg to the cognitively disabled and that he was being "juvenile and cruel."

I think its so pathetic of him that MsJack should just ignore it and move on rather than threaten to leave the board. I can't tell her how to feel, but my advice is to not let it get to her and realize that he's tying his own noose in the eyes of onlookers like me.

Thanks EA. I will try to keep this in mind next time something like this goes down.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Just because someone uses polite language doesn't mean they're not a horrible person. I would never have leveraged in real life information to score a point on a message board. I remember when people were harrassing Yahoo Bot, and I said that it was really messed up that someone would try to reveal his in real life information or go as far as contacting his work.



No wonder he and DRP don't come around much any more. Being crass is one thing, but messing with people in real life for crap posted on a message board is crazy ridiculous.

- VRDRC

[_MrStakhanovite]

Probably the largest volume of my contradictory posts go to replying to Stak. (Don't become another Micheal Ruse Stak!)

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKh6cYmQ4M

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You must comprehend how to act... Doctor Cameron, North Carlolina for Me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMHqxkRYt64

- VRDRC

[_MsJack]

I would never have leveraged in real life information to score a point on a message board. [SNIP] messing with people in real life for crap posted on a message board is crazy ridiculous.

Except that's exactly what you did in the exchange that started this thread. As Jersey Girl pointed out much earlier on these threads, you dragged my RL relationship with my husband and our RL religious affiliations into a thread that had nothing to do with it. The only reason the moderators didn't initially remove your comments the way they removed mine was because I've made my real name and that many details about my real life known to the forum. But it's still "real-life information" every bit as much as what I said about you.

Congratulations, Cam. Even by your own wiggly standards, you're a horrible person.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]