Holland's second "scolding" at BYU

[Equality]

There's a Bible verse for any perspective. Holland and company would likely suggest Matthew 10:34:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

That Al Koran or the sword stuff does seem a bit anti-Christian, but those Muslims do live The Principle of polygamy.

The sword stuff seems very much in line with Christianity, historically speaking.

[Shulem]

Although the historical record is often scarce, evidence points to LGBT individuals having existed in the Mormon community since its beginnings, and estimates of the number of LGBTQ former and current Mormons range from 4 to 10% of the total membership of the LDS Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) ...

That is a mathematical certainty based on genetics. It's a sure bet.

[jlamothe]

The sword stuff seems very much in line with Christianity, historically speaking.

I agree it falls in line with the mentality of many who identify as Christian. That said, I find the term "Christian" to be a rather squishy ill-defined term, making it kind of useless as an adjective in general.

[Rivendale]

Bokovoy's Most recent take.

I feel sorry for Jeff Holland. I really do. Sure, it might be kind of cool to live your life with a small band of Homo sapiens that think you speak for God, but he is trapped in religious homophobia hurting others while never getting to appreciate the power and beauty of human love in all its transcendent diversity. Oh, and he’ll never experience how incredible it is to drink good whiskey with his friends on a Friday night! Freedom tastes of reality!! And I’m free!! One Love and good whiskey!!!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Although the historical record is often scarce, evidence points to LGBT individuals having existed in the Mormon community since its beginnings, and estimates of the number of LGBTQ former and current Mormons range from 4 to 10% of the total membership of the LDS Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) ...

That is a mathematical certainty based on genetics. It's a sure bet.

Hrm …



- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

Bokovoy's Most recent take.

I feel sorry for Jeff Holland. I really do. Sure, it might be kind of cool to live your life with a small band of Homo sapiens that think you speak for God, but he is trapped in religious homophobia hurting others while never getting to appreciate the power and beauty of human love in all its transcendent diversity. Oh, and he’ll never experience how incredible it is to drink good whiskey with his friends on a Friday night! Freedom tastes of reality!! And I’m free!! One Love and good whiskey!!!

Bonus points for the Tommy reference.

[Moksha]

"Whoever hung these drapes needs to receive some of our Musket Fire!!!"

[Shulem]

WE ARE ANGRY AS HELL! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT JUST LOOK AT OUR FACES!

"Whoever hung these drapes needs to receive some of our Musket Fire!!!"

[IHAQ]

Holland gets spotlighted as the bigoted Dodo that he is...

Rainbow flags, tears and laughter were all around City Creek Park on Saturday night as members and allies of the LGBTQ community gathered for a candlelight vigil of LGBTQ hope and faith.

The vigil provided a place for LGBTQ activists and individuals, along with former Brigham Young University students, to speak and be heard — a week after an apostle in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints urged individuals at the school to take up their intellectual “muskets” to defend the church. Jeffrey R. Holland said it is especially important to defend “the doctrine of the family and ... marriage as the union of a man and a woman.”

Holland also called out BYU valedictorian Matt Easton in his speech, an alum who came out as gay during his 2019 commencement address. Easton spoke at the vigil.

“It has been a very, very crazy week for me,” Easton told the crowd. “It’s been tough.”

He recounted a story from his first year at BYU, right off his Latter-day Saint mission and “bright-eyed.” He remembered a classmate named Harry Fisher, who used to sit in front of him in one of his classes.

“I didn’t know Harry very well,” Easton said. “I went online, and I learned that Harry had come out as gay just a few weeks before. And because of the response that he got, and the struggles that come with, with, you know, how our community reacts, he ended up taking his own life.

“I think it’s safe to say that probably a lot of us who are here, especially who identify as queer, have been in that same sort of place. And it doesn’t have to be that way.”

Easton said when he got a chance to give his graduation speech at BYU in 2019, he was inspired to show other kids like himself that “there is a place for us,” which garnered cheers from the crowd.

“That we do belong, and that places like BYU and our communities — it’s not just that they can learn to tolerate us, but they need us,” Easton said. “They need our voices and our ideas and our creativity and our complaints. They need every part of it because that is what makes a community beautiful. That is what makes a community meaningful.”

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/08/30/ ... -creation/

Especially when his speech was preapproved two weeks before by the university, with notes in the margins on how he was coming out and why — even linking to a previous talk from Holland.

“I know that the faculty who approved my speech. They approved it not because they were scared of the backlash that I was going to give them, not because they thought that they had to, but because they knew that it was an appropriate place,” Easton said. “And they understood the message that I was sharing of hope, and inclusion and of a future. Tonight, I just I want to reiterate that — that nobody can take away our future. Nobody can take away our worth. And nobody can take away our dignity.”

Well said.

In any right-minded organisation of this day and age, Holland would have been fired for what he said.

[Moksha]

In any right-minded organisation of this day and age, Holland would have been fired for what he said.

That is a sobering thought. Instead, he gets praise and admiration, while those who admire him are forced to harden their hearts against "the other".


Kerry Shirts has revived the term Dodoism and proposes Elder Holland as its foremost proponent, as well as serving as its avatar. Dodoism negates kindness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_af7MWQOvv8