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Droopy wrote:And yet a substantial undercurrent (when not overtly expressed, as Samuel L. Jackson recently did) of anti-White, anti-Semitic, and anti-Asian racism exists within contemporary American black culture and is, at present, probably the most persistent and commonly expressed (and accepted and tolerated by elite "progressive" culture) form of racism among us.


Droopy wrote:The well known empirical fact that American blacks, at just over 12% of the population, commit 52% of all violent crime in the nation, centers that behavior in a specific demographic sub-group.


1. There is no such thing as anti-Semitic racism. The Jews are not a race.

2. What exactly is "contemporary American black culture"?

3. What percentage of that 12% is commiting those violent crimes? What percentage of the 12% lives in poverty and what percentage of those that live in poverty commit those violent crimes?

Because right now, your stats mean nothing, since they are without context.
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1. There is no such thing as anti-Semitic racism. The Jews are not a race.


They are considered so by many white racialists and supremacists. This is not a course in anthropology, but a message board discussion. Remember, I'm the guy who posts the extensive, intellectually involved essays and uses the big words. Conduct yourself accordingly.

2. What exactly is "contemporary American black culture"?


I should have said "demographic elements within" contemporary American black culture. There is no monolithic "black culture" of course (although, this is exactly what many contemporary leftist intellectuals and black racialists within the Democratic party would like us to think). However, given their small relative representation in the population, a few things should be noted.

1. Blacks voted for Barack Obama within the range of 95%.

2. Traditional support by American blacks for the Democrat party as run from 92% to around 80% at present - what could only be termed monolithic voting behavior.

3. A disproportionate presense of anti-intellectual/conspiratorial thinking regarding a number of issues, including the prevalence of white racism (84% believe that white racism is still a serious problem for blacks in America), the belief that the CIA introduced cocaine into the black inner city ( a poll done by the New York Times in the early nineties showed that some 60% - 70% of blacks believed the drugs were intentionally allowed into the black inner city as a means of destroying black people and a large percentage believed AIDS was created as a weapon of racial genocide http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/12/opini ... lacks.html). Half of blacks surveyed think that AIDS was created by the government and over half thought a cure existed, but was being withheld on purpose from the poor).

A more broad based general anti-intellectualism grounded in racial separatism and hostility to "white" values http://www.amazon.com/Losing-Race-Self- ... 494&sr=1-1

4. A 70% illegitimacy rate - a fantastic disproportion given black's representation as a percentage of the population.

5. The unusually high rate of antisemitic attitudes among blacks relative to the general population - some 3 to 4 times higher.

3. What percentage of that 12% is committing those violent crimes? What percentage of the 12% lives in poverty and what percentage of those that live in poverty commit those violent crimes?


1. The majority of these crimes are being committed by a certain sociocultural demographic.

2. Poverty per se has little relation to crime. No statistically significant increases in crime occurred throughout the Great Depression, among either blacks or whites, and the really massive disproportion in black criminality is empirically known to date only from the mid to late sixties, and was unknown in earlier decades (as was the huge disproportion in unwed pregnancy and motherhood, which was historically only a little above the white average, until, again, the mid to late sixties).
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Maybe your right, Droopy. Maybe you're points are well taken.

Droopy wrote:And yet a substantial undercurrent (when not overtly expressed, as Samuel L. Jackson recently did) of anti-White, anti-Semitic, and anti-Asian racism exists within contemporary American black culture and is, at present, probably the most persistent and commonly expressed (and accepted and tolerated by elite "progressive" culture) form of racism among us.


Of course, because there is a coherent thing that is "contemporary American black culture."

You're a fan of Thomas Sowell, right? I'm sure he wouldn't mind your implication that he's an Oreo.

As I have tried to make clear, and following Dinesh DeSouza here, slavery in North America and in the South was a transplantation and holdover of the ancien rigime; an economic, cultural, and traditional practice that had existed from time immemorial among virtually all peoples. Even without the justifications for the practice, based upon the physical characteristics of the slaves, the practice would have existed anyway, as it in no sense required any racial justification. Romans enslaved other Caucasian peoples. Irish enslaved other Europeans. American Indians enslaved each other (and sold them to Europeans, on occasion), and black Africans already had a long history of slaving and slave trading in place when the Europeans came on the scene.


And that's why so many Europeans were enslaved in the antebellum United States.

The really viscous racism of the old South was more a product of the destruction of the agrarian serf society the South had created in contradistinction to the non-slave, urbanizing, technologically progressing, commercial cultures of the northern states, than a pretext for the original practice. That needed no pretext. Slaves were the spoils of war, indentured servants working of their passage, members of lesser castes, and natural inferiors doing their part for society (a concept dating all the way back to Plato and Aristotle).


Our readers will no doubt recall the intense wars the United States fought with various African tribes, leading to the U.S. claiming the surviving losers are the spoils of war.

If all the slaves in all the plantations in the old South had been Danes and the slavemasters black, nothing would have been any different regarding the existence of the institution (as the existence of a number of wealthy free black plantation owners holding their own black slaves testifies). Indentured servitude was a white on white institution, and was not too far removed from chattel slavery.


You all of course remember how white sharecroppers were bought and sold as chattel during earlier phases of American history.

Theories of black inferiority, therefore, were not the pretext for the Atlantic slave trade, but cultural self justification for slavery in the particular Christian and classical liberal context of the Founding, both of which were understood to be incompatible with the practice.


See, e.g., Brigham Young.

In Africa itself, or in Muslim nations at the time, for example, the question of whether slavery was "right or wrong" never would have arisen


Nor in Georgia or South Carolina.

But your really onto something with you're thesis here, Droopy. The enslavement of black Africans in the antebellum United States did indeed have nothing to do with race. It's unfortunate that abolitionists resorted to disingenuous leftist propaganda like this:

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I'm glad to know that Droopy can use statistics to make sweeping assertions about a given group's contemporary culture.

Contemporary Mormon culture can therefore be identified by its tendencies to affinity fraud, depression, viewing of online pornography, and obesity.
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Darth J wrote:I'm glad to know that Droopy can use statistics to make sweeping assertions about a given group's contemporary culture.

Contemporary Mormon culture can therefore be identified by its tendencies to affinity fraud, depression, viewing of online pornography, and obesity.



Yet more reasons why lawyers are among the most despised of all the parasitic classes of contemporary American culture and why logical thought and critical reasoning skills are only a peripheral requirement for a successful litagatory career.
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Droopy wrote:
Darth J wrote:I'm glad to know that Droopy can use statistics to make sweeping assertions about a given group's contemporary culture.

Contemporary Mormon culture can therefore be identified by its tendencies to affinity fraud, depression, viewing of online pornography, and obesity.



Yet more reasons why lawyers are among the most despised of all the parasitic classes of contemporary American culture and why logical thought and critical reasoning skills are only a peripheral requirement for a successful litagatory career.



Right, especially compared to all the intellectual heft and philosophical rigor that you bring to bear on the lawncare industry.
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Droopy wrote:
Darth J wrote:I'm glad to know that Droopy can use statistics to make sweeping assertions about a given group's contemporary culture.

Contemporary Mormon culture can therefore be identified by its tendencies to affinity fraud, depression, viewing of online pornography, and obesity.



Yet more reasons why lawyers are among the most despised of all the parasitic classes of contemporary American culture and why logical thought and critical reasoning skills are only a peripheral requirement for a successful litagatory career.


Since you're posts invited the discussion of where your going with such reasoning, which statistic would you like to discuss first, Droopy?

I pick obesity. We know that statistics show us what a group's contemporary culture is, so being fat and stuffing your face with donuts and pastries is one of the salient aspects of contemporary Mormon culture.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11355738/ns ... 1KJ11FaXDE

OREM, Utah — Mormons on average weigh 4.6 pounds more than other Utahans, a study by a Brigham Young University professor concluded. The study also found that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were 14 percent more likely than nonmembers to be obese. That was 18 percent for men, and 9 percent for women.

The study was made by BYU health science professor Ray Merrill from data obtained in 1996, 2001 and 2003-2004 by the Utah Health Status Survey.

The most recent numbers, while still high, showed there has been some improvement since 1996, when Mormon adults were found to be 5.7 pounds heavier on average and 34 percent more likely to be obese.

Merrill's study suggests Mormons may be using excessive eating as a substitute for prohibited indulgences such as smoking and drinking.

"For years, the church has focused on the don'ts -- don't smoke, don't drink, and all the other things that you shouldn't do that are heavily enforced," said Steve Aldana, a BYU professor who presented some of the study's findings at a recent heart conference at Utah Valley Regional Medical Center.

"There has been little emphasis on the do's -- eat good foods and exercise," he said. "In the church, we have a lot of don'ts, and now finally here's a do -- go ahead and do eat -- and boy, do we eat."

Aldana, a health and human performance professor at the Mormon church-owned university, said the weight problem is a growing trend both in the state and in the nation as a whole.

"It's been a slow and gradual trend, and now when we stop and take a look, this is where we are ... this has crept up on us, and now it's dramatic," he said.

Aldana said the church is one of the few organizations actively working on the problem by instituting a wellness program for its employees and calling wellness missionaries. But, he said, there is much more to be done.

"You still aren't hearing this over the pulpit," he said.

A spokesman for the church declined comment, the church-owned Deseret Morning News said.


Now that we have established that being fat is part of contemporary Mormon culture, which statistic should we discuss next?
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Of course, because there is a coherent thing that is "contemporary American black culture."


Clearly, you're not even reading the prior posts before sounding off, are you? No, I didn't think so.

You're a fan of Thomas Sowell, right? I'm sure he wouldn't mind your implication that he's an Oreo.


Perfect! Thanks. Its one of the wonderful ironies of the modern age that authentic, unvarnished, unselfconscious bigotry of this kind exists primary on the secular Left, having receded in most other precincts of American culture to minimal levels (save, according to most empirical studies and polls out and about, among a fairly substantial proportion of American blacks, in which it still exists and alarmingly high levels, especially among the poor and in high concentration among the welfare underclass).

And that's why so many Europeans were enslaved in the antebellum United States.


You're either as imbecilic as you act, Darth, or you're just acting in an imbecilic manner to make some highly contrived "points" in an attempt make yourself look clever. But, as I've said before, this isn't a courtroom, but a marketplace of ideas in which your particular techniques are of little avail.

Our readers will no doubt recall the intense wars the United States fought with various African tribes, leading to the U.S. claiming the surviving losers are the spoils of war.


Well, it may indeed be congenital...

I've snipped the rest of Darth's standard hackneyed, self serving pap of the argument-for-the-sake-of-bashing-the-church-look-at-me-I'm-a-clever-lawyer-who-can-appear-logical variety, and will just be moving on and will probably just ignore Darth from here on out.

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Let's continue with the rigorous philosophical and intellectual application of statistics to culture introduced by our resident autodidact, Droopy.

Consistent with the example set by its founder, the LDS Church faces a pervasive problem of affinity fraud among its members. In fact, the Church itself has spoken out about this epidemic problem:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8655 ... ngers.html

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official- ... nity-fraud

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7053 ... mbers.html

And here's a blog discussing numerous affinity fraud cases among Mormons: http://en.wordpress.com/tag/lds-church-2/

Also, a January 2012 article from The Economist quoting law enforcement officials about the high rate of affinity fraud among Mormons in Utah: http://www.economist.com/node/21543526

So, in conjunction with the rates of obesity among Mormons, we can see that contemporary Mormon culture is to literally be a big, fat liar.
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Droopy wrote:
Of course, because there is a coherent thing that is "contemporary American black culture."


Clearly, you're not even reading the prior posts before sounding off, are you? No, I didn't think so.


Of course I did. That's why I am engaging in a similar rigorous examination of contemporary Mormon culture.

You're a fan of Thomas Sowell, right? I'm sure he wouldn't mind your implication that he's an Oreo.


Perfect! Thanks. Its one of the wonderful ironies of the modern age that authentic, unvarnished, unselfconscious bigotry of this kind exists primary on the secular Left, having receded in most other precincts of American culture to minimal levels (save, according to most empirical studies and polls out and about, among a fairly substantial proportion of American blacks, in which it still exists and alarmingly high levels, especially among the poor and in high concentration among the welfare underclass).


So just to be clear, since you are the one insisting that there is such a thing as contemporary black culture, do you think Thomas Sowell would be less offended at being called an Oreo or an Uncle Tom?

And that's why so many Europeans were enslaved in the antebellum United States.


You're either as imbecilic as you act, Darth, or you're just acting in an imbecilic manner to make some highly contrived "points" in an attempt make yourself look clever. But, as I've said before, this isn't a courtroom, but a marketplace of ideas in which your particular techniques are of little avail.


I'm sure your rigorous study of tabloid articles about the O.J. Simpson murder trial, together with Heritage Foundation pamphlets about Roe v. Wade, have given you a broad and knowledgeable basis for commenting on law and the legal system. Nevertheless, your attempted analogy between white sharecroppers and black slaves is somewhat diminished by the reality that blacks were in fact slaves and white sharecroppers were not.

Our readers will no doubt recall the intense wars the United States fought with various African tribes, leading to the U.S. claiming the surviving losers are the spoils of war.


Well, it may indeed be congenital...

I've snipped the rest of Darth's standard hackneyed, self serving pap of the argument-for-the-sake-of-bashing-the-church-look-at-me-I'm-a-clever-lawyer-who-can-appear-logical variety, and will just be moving on and will probably just ignore Darth from here on out.

I'm not a big fan of futility.


That's fine. As a contemporary Mormon, statistics show that you are probably fat and a con man, anyway.
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