MrStakhanovite wrote:For anyone interested, (and I can't imagine why any of us are), Bob continues to change what the fundamental issue or question is. A look at his first several posts on the thread shows him bouncing around among a variety of issues--Quinn's homosexuality, the accuracy of his footnotes, whether he has books published by academic presses, etc. It took a while for him to decide that the significant issue was a statement to the press by a U professor giving the alleged reason for refusing to hire Quinn. Now, that rationale offered to the press is the issue. The issue is not Quinn's many peer-reviewed and academic-press publications, his positive reviews by prominent academics, and the remarkable ensemble of prestigious academic institutions that have granted him awards, fellowships, and other honors. Once Quinn is show to meet Crocket's criteria for academic respectability, Crocket shifts the criteria to exclude him. Bob is not a truth-seeker or even an honest defender of his faith. He is an opportunistic polemicist and, to use the technical term from the DSM-IV, a total ass.
Interesting. I've never seen this material before. But, I have never said that Quinn is to be disparaged or ignored because he is gay. You'll have to find my own statements, not what somebody is saying about me.
Rather, my comments about Quinn have always been that his only peer-reviewed book-length work outside of a BYU publishing house was one that the Library of Congress categorizes as "Queer Studies." (I do not offer the term to disparage Quinn; it is the category and that is what it is.) Meaning, of course, that Quinn is not published at the book-length level in any other categories (outside of BYU) and, thus perhaps explains why he cannot get hired. I do acknowledge, of course, many monographs in other areas in other publications, but not book-length works. Or, at least, that was my argument some time ago.
I have repeatedly stated that I admire Quinn and have many of his books and quote and cite him in my own published works. But the dialogue to which you point is one focused on the reasons why he wasn't getting hired, harking back to the WSJ article.
The argument has been that the Church or BYU blackballed him. I have acknowledged efforts to exclude him at a Yale conference. But I have pointed repeatedly to Quinn's Sunstone presentation where he denies ever being blackballed.
So, this is your singular example of gay-baiting? I don't gay-bait. I bait posters here, perhaps, at times, like you. If you or any other poster wants to be gay, I am not here to judge or criticize and I don't. Really interesting that you would point to this Quinn reference, since I think the guy is great. I don't agree with his career path choices, however, and he seems to have wasted his existence at BYU and with Signature Books instead of academic publishing houses.
And, no, merely because I deride your silly "defamination" [what on earth is that word?] worries, does not mean I'm going to sue anybody. I've been called a child molester on this board and Dr. Shades was good enough to remove the post, but I can assure you that I will not persecute your sorry grouchy self other than to make fun of you here. It is all in fun; please don't take me or this board so seriously.
And, yes, I do acknowledge that you are a person with a real name. Thank you. I retract my comment about your lack of moral courage. I certainly apologize for the offense given.
