Is Misogyny Alive and Well With Some TBMs?

[_Blixa]

As in 'Tarski just pulled a Dehlin', a 'Dehlin' is a graphic conversation about sex which has a Medusa-like effect on the reader's/listener's own sexual desire.

H.

And how!

[_Drifting]

I feel a little disgruntled that the women posters are daring to tell us their views and opinions about misogyny...can we have our own Priesthood thread to discuss this and the girls can go talk about making skirts out of curtains or fairy cake baking...

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Welp. This ex-Mormon thinks men and women should be 100% equal. Period.

- VRDRC

[_Tarski]

As in 'Tarski just pulled a Dehlin', a 'Dehlin' is a graphic conversation about sex which has a Medusa-like effect on the reader's/listener's own sexual desire.

H.

Let's just be clear about this. Are you and Blixa intending to insult or embarrass me? Do you wish to cause me to feel bad?

[_Blixa]

As in 'Tarski just pulled a Dehlin', a 'Dehlin' is a graphic conversation about sex which has a Medusa-like effect on the reader's/listener's own sexual desire.

H.

Let's just be clear about this. Are you and Blixa intending to insult or embarrass me? Do you wish to cause me to feel bad?

I'm just sayin' TMI, guy, T. M. I.

[_EAllusion]

What was going on? After all, there was no feminist movement and no affirmative action in those earlier years.

Except, you know, the first wave feminist movement generally defined as around 1875-1930. Oddly enough, my AP US history documentary essay question was on how the 2nd industrial revolution in that period influenced the first wave of feminism and which in tandem resulted in things like subsequent spike in education rates and workforce participation that didn't rebound until much later. Apparently, the distinguished Dr. Sowell wouldn't be able to pass a US history test aimed at high schoolers as he appears to be unaware of any feminism prior to Betty Friedan.

Absolutely none of this, though, has anything to do with establishing that biological sexual dimorphism drives any meaningful cognitive differences between men and women. In fact, it points to how cultural shifts can lead to profound differences in outcome of behavior among the sexes. There isn't much evidence for the importance of genetically predisposed differences in cognition in the literature, which is saying something because people have extensively looked. Charles Murray of "blacks are genetically predisposed to being intellectually inferior to whites*" fame can be addressed on his own terms. Mostly those terms are not knowing how or caring to control for environmental influences in psychological research, but the other articles don't even try to establish the point. I like Hoff Sommers - at times anyway - and her article isn't about that. It's attempting to debunk evidence of overt discrimination in academia. But there's a difference between overt discrimination and all manner of social biases that can explain differences in behavior. It's only recently that the stereotyped idea that computers are a male nerd thing has been blown up in our culture, for example. That can drive from a very early age who ultimately becomes doctors of computer science without any conscious discrimination needing to take place.

It's prima facie plausible that there could be biological differences, but given the work already put into it, any differences are likely to be subtle and driven in causally complex ways. Women as natural nurturers and men as chest-thumping leaders is nonsense. That's what Hoff Sommers, though flawed, tries to argue in work that she's written that I, and I doubt Droopy, has read. And we simply don't have warrant to conclude anything about differences yet. Given the history of bigotry and discrimination aimed at women due to false beliefs about differences in the sexes, one ought to refrain from making any pronouncements on the subject until there is, you know, a good basis for them. That's why Summers got himself in such hot water.

*Droopy's link actually includes this argument from him. Either Droopy didn't read it in his google scramble, or that's something he seems on board with. Awesome.

[_zeezrom]

...and the girls can go talk about making skirts out of curtains or fairy cake baking...

What is a fairy cake? Do you mean angel food?

My sewing book talks to me like I'm a woman. It makes me feel like I don't belong.

Oh, and a skirt of of some curtains would be literally the coolest thing in the world.

[_Tarski]

I'm just sayin' TMI, guy, T. M. I.

I gave a warning, and sectioned it off. Seemed rather clinical to me. I am barely more than an abstracta around here, I can't see why this would have painted any specific pictures, let alone provoked unpleasant affect.

The "Tarski just pulled a Dehlin" thing is an insult and so is the "Medusa-like effect" comment.
Both were unnecessary. They did make me feel bad for a few minutes. So congrats.

LDSToronto. Not much I can say here without going on for quite a while.
Some opportunities to socially alienate and self position are best passed up. Unnecessary, like I said. Well, for me they would be unnecessary. My goals may be different so if that is your bag, knock yourself out.
I had been working under the assumption of mutual friendliness. Maybe I had that wrong.

[_LDSToronto]

I'm just sayin' TMI, guy, T. M. I.

I gave a warning, and sectioned it off. Seemed rather clinical to me. I am barely more than an abstracta around here, I can't see why this would have painted any specific pictures, let alone provoked unpleasant affect.

The "Tarski just pulled a Dehlin" thing is an insult and so is the "Medusa-like effect" comment.
Both were unnecessary. They did make me feel bad for a few minutes. So congrats.

LDSToronto. Not much I can say here without going on for quite a while.
Some opportunities to socially alienate and self position are best passed up. Unnecessary, like I said. Well, for me they would be unnecessary. My goals may be different so if that is your bag, knock yourself out.
I had been working under the assumption of mutual friendliness. Maybe I had that wrong.

Oh Tarski, calm down and look at your role in this. You described in pretty graphic detail a sexual encounter with your wife in a thread about misogyny. It made me uncomfortable, and I'd hazard a guess that it made a couple of others squirm a bit, so I used humour to deal with the discomfort.

That's all. I wasn't trying to alienate you or position myself. And I consider our relationship friendly.


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[Guest]

Tarski,
I meant no offense in fact I think you rather enlightened. In that you are willing to work for and demonstrate a desire to see to your wife's satisfaction.

But I wonder if Droopy even knows women are capable of orgasm?

Any who had a squeamish reaction..... Is a repressed prude. I just callz them as I seez them. No offence meant ;)