Huge day for me - going to Jesus mall for first time

[_Philo Sofee]

I was very disappointed with the mall. Thinking of all the money that was put into the place, one would assume it would have more character than an office park.

It doesn't.

It's going to fail. :/

V/R
Dr. Cam

You honestly expected something more from the 15 who can only have unidimensional thoughts on anything? We all already knew they lack in creativity, does it surprise you their myopia extends out into the physical world as well as the spiritual?

[_ldsfaqs]

We are visiting utah and I am going to get my first glimpse of city creek in a few minutes. I have waited a long time for this day. City creek was the final straw for my wife so I get to meet the phenomenon that took her church activity away. I will return and report.

And it's a sad day that anti-mormon false beliefs, omission of fact, and perversion of truth is what's embraced by some people as fact and truth. I feel very sad for your wife.... :(

It's not a "Jesus Mall"..... It was a Mall built partially by the "corporate" business side of the Church. It wasn't built with the Churches Tithing or otherwise.
The Church owns businesses, sue it.... so "evil" it is for a religion to actually "diversify" itself so it's stronger and can do more good in the world.

When are you people going to learn that you serve the evil one by your perversion of reality?

[_ldsfaqs]

People need jobs. And the Mall gave people jobs so that they would need to stand in line down the street at the soup kitchen. Now if other churches would also create work, maybe that soup line would disappear.

Wouldn't it have been swell if the church could have "created" an Adobe, or Microsoft type of business that could have paid people real incomes and provided meaningful careers?

If it is about jobs, why settle for the lowest of service jobs when so many other rich and rewarding work exists?

Clearly you aren't aware that the Church owns MANY KINDS OF BUSINESSES.....
Many of which provide good incomes, not simply lower end incomes.

Your argument is even more of a strawman, because it ignores the business owners, the managers, the lawyers, and all kinds of people who do get good incomes and have a good income because of the mall either working there or related to it.

When are anti-mormons going to stop lying to degrade the Church? Degrade the Church honestly and accurately for a change?

[_lulu]

http://www.romereports.com/palio/vatica ... -7226.html

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/mo ... See_en.asp


Now, why me, can you post comparable links for the Mormon church?

[_hobo1512]

http://www.romereports.com/palio/vatican-releases-financial-numbers-from-2011-english-7226.html

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/mo ... See_en.asp


Now, why me, can you post comparable links for the Mormon church?

Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

I've never seen him provide a valid resource EVER

But good luck with that.

[Guest]

Your argument is even more of a strawman, because it ignores the business owners, the managers, the lawyers, and all kinds of people who do get good incomes and have a good income because of the mall either working there or related to it.

lol @ "The Church's mall continues its long-standing commitment to empower an army of business men, managers, and lawyers!"

I read tchild's comment as suggesting the common man of Zion might be elevated if the Church had the vision of a Microsoft. The IT revolution as Telecom, Auto, and others, provided a real opportunity for average people without high education levels or opportunites to advance themselves.

It is kind of funny that out of the several billion people on the earth, the only 15 holding the distinctions of prophet, seer, and revelator got together and bet the farm on something as ordinary as real estate. And the heavens didn't even have any insights into how to do that for them, and so they hired Gentile consulting firms to plan the entire thing. But God wasn't even there to help them efficiently manage third-party experts, resulting in all kinds of unexpected delays and costs.

But boy, the trumpet sounded and if anyone had any doubts that the 15 special witnesses of Christ knew God face-to-face as did Moses, droping the age requirements of missionaries from 19 to 18 set that to rest.

[_Jason Bourne]

I think that local wards or branches can be quite upfront with their finances, likewise with stakes. But I don't think that Mormons care very much about it. They trust their leaders. However, when Mormons leave their faith, it then becomes their bedbug because they need bedbugs to scratch their itch toward the LDS church.

Like you...the LDS church is your bedbug.

Once again you demonstrate how ignorant you are about the current state of things LDS. You should educate yourself so ypu don't look so foolish. A local unit does not give out financial information and if it did it has little to reveal. A ward has hardly any control over the money it takes in. It is simply a collection machine for tithing and other donations. All money goes directly to SLC. All a ward controls is its allocated budget which is based on attendence. And the budget is only for activities such as youth activities, Relief Society activities, ward parties, etc. an average ward migh be allocated $10,000-$15,000 for such things. Other things such as heat, electric, repairs, phone...all that is paid directly by SLC. The only other thing a ward controls is what it does with fast offering assistance. So if a ward reported anything to its members all it would have to show is what it took in in tithing and other donations, what it's budget allocation was, how that was spent and what it did with fast offering assistance. That is it.

[_why me]

Once again you demonstrate how ignorant you are about the current state of things LDS. You should educate yourself so ypu don't look so foolish.

My point was simple: if someone wants to know, they can find out. It is not a secret. That was my point about the local church. What they do with the money was not my concern. However, I will check today with a friend of mine who used to be in the bishopric about it.

[_why me]

http://www.romereports.com/palio/vatican-releases-financial-numbers-from-2011-english-7226.html

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/mo ... See_en.asp


Now, why me, can you post comparable links for the Mormon church?

To be honest, I really don't care about this issue at all. What the church wants to do with the money is their concern. And I think that the majority of Mormons feel the same way. It is not until they leave the faith and join the internet crowd do they begin to care.

Now when someone is caught with their hand in the till, I think that we would see a change.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f2c370f8-c13b ... z2DCdwI1jJ

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18631950

As we can see from the links that it took a scandal for the vatican to open the vault for a peeky weeky. But just a little. And it took 2,000 years to do so.

[_hobo1512]

http://www.romereports.com/palio/vatican-releases-financial-numbers-from-2011-english-7226.html

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/mo ... See_en.asp


Now, why me, can you post comparable links for the Mormon church?

To be honest, I really don't care about this issue at all. What the church wants to do with the money is their concern. And I think that the majority of Mormons feel the same way. It is not until they leave the faith and join the internet crowd do they begin to care.

Now when someone is caught with their hand in the till, I think that we would see a change.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f2c370f8-c13b ... z2DCdwI1jJ

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18631950

As we can see from the links that it took a scandal for the vatican to open the vault for a peeky weeky. But just a little. And it took 2,000 years to do so.

Careful, your anti-Catholic nature is showing again....LOL

Nice dodge at trying to drag things off topic. But hey, the Catholic Church, including the Vatican is alot more open about finances than Mormon central.

You just don't like getting busted out again for showing your bias.....LOL

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?