DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Lemmie wrote:To get the thread back on track, I wanted to come back to this very important observation by DrW.

Gerald Bradford made additional observations at the time, in effect stating that the approach taken in the past was simply not professional and did not reflect well on the University.

I doubt he would brook any possibility that the approach he oversees now would be allowed to be tainted, repeatedly, with documented plagiarism.


I completely agree. I think it's fair to say that after Professor Lemmie's very detailed compilation of Peterson's plagarism, the entire Maxwell Institute and senior members of BYU's Administration are breathing a huge collective sigh of relief that Gerald Bradford purged Peterson.

Thank you Professor Lemmie for this monumental effort. I know in real life, that there are MI faculty and BYU professors who are closely following this OP.
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Given that this thread has been running since October 2017, one assumes Peterson has gone back and corrected the serious, but unintentional, plagiarism that’s been documented on here? If not, what does that tell us?
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IHAQ, Everybody Wang Chung's documentation goes back 2+ years with no effect I can see.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:Thank you Professor Lemmie for this monumental effort. I know in real life, that there are MI faculty and BYU professors who are closely following this OP.


Well, they should. I found just from casually Googling yesterday two instances where Pasterson plagiarizes BYU faculty. And over the years I'd occassionally copy something he posted here and there, paste it into Google, and then run a search. Easily dozens of times I could find his source material.

I hadn't bothered to document it here primarily because I enjoyed him as a kind of mormondiscussions.com foil. I didn't want to drive him away and, honestly, I wasn't sure if I wanted to contribute to his professional censure as a result. Golden Rule I suppose. I wouldn't want my online shenanigans to affect my in real life career.

Anyway. That's why I didn't post those two finds yesterday. I didn't want to force BYU's hand, as I'd imagine undeniable proof that a tenured faculty member was cannibalizing his own probably couldn't be ignored.

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Dr. Peterson has added a citation to the Anfinsen post: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... insen.html

However, his post based on Buskirk's book review still lacks a proper citation (despite the fact that he issued a mea culpa for failing to cite Buskirk): http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... ience.html

ETA: he has edited the post to add this note:

"Raw and unprocessed notes from a manuscript, drawn from Allen R. Busker’s [sic] review of Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, published under the title of 'Science, Pseudoscience, and Religious Belief' by Allen R. Buskirk in FARMS Review 17/1 (2005): 273–309."
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Dr. Peterson has not edited his post on Katharine Smith to properly cite Kyle Walker's article: viewtopic.php?p=1083676#p1083676
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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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There has been significant insistence recently, by a poster on this thread who has been in contact with Peterson about the topic, that although the plagiarism documented here is indeed plagiarism, it is "unintentional."

However, continuing to argue that the plagiarism is "unintentional" seems nonsensical given the context of multiple instances of identical strategies of plagiarism, interspersed with virtually identical multiple "mea culpas" after an incidence of plagiarism is noted, followed by more use of those identical strategies of plagiarism.

Why continue to make this extremely weak argument that the plagiarism was "unintentional"? I looked into this idea, and found a 1997 incident at BYU that seems to provide some context.

From a 2.27.98 BYU Daily Universe article entitled "Y. professor apologizes for plagiarism":
Jim Gordon, BYU associate academic vice president, would not disclose the particulars of the disciplinary measures used with Van Orden, but he did refer to BYU’s official policy on handling plagiarism by students or professors.

The policy allows BYU to reprimand the offender orally or in writing, require the work affected by the dishonesty to be redone, dismiss the offender from the university, or to put the offender on probation or suspension.

Gordon also clarified between inadvertent and deliberate plagiarism.

Intentional plagiarism is a violation of the Honor Code. It is intentionally stealing someone else’s thoughts or ideas.

Inadvertent plagiarism is not a violation of the Honor Code,
but it is plagiarism. It’s a form of intellectual carelessness that is unacceptable in the academic community, and it’s a violation of university policy,” Gordon said.

Gordon said the university is satisfied that Van Orden’s plagiarism was inadvertent.

http://universe.BYU.edu/1998/02/27/byu- ... lagiarism/
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From a Deseret News article the next day:
Van Orden said carelessness in citing sources, not malicious intent, led to unattributed material taken from others in his 1996 book "Building Zion: The Latter-day Saints in Europe."Specific passages that were plagiarized, along with Van Orden's apology, are slated for publication in the Journal of Mormon History's spring 1998 edition.

"I looked into it from day one and recognized that I made some errors," Van Orden told the Deseret News. "I've pledged never to make the mistake again."

The Journal of Mormon History, a publication of the non-church-affiliated Mormon History Association, documented "59 examples of misused and inadequately cited material from 11 authors writing in eight books or articles."

Van Orden continues to teach at BYU. He said the university took appropriate action in conjunction with its policy on plagiarism, but neither he nor administrators said what that action was.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/616 ... arism.html

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If plagiarism is repeated and "unintentional" then the plagiarizer has demonstrated they are too incompetent or impaired to understand what they are doing and therefore unable to perform serious and responsible scholarship. Time to resign. Bad example for students, other faculty and beyond. Institutions must choose better or lose all credibility.
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Maksutov wrote:If plagiarism is repeated and "unintentional" then the plagiarizer has demonstrated they are too incompetent or impaired to understand what they are doing and therefore unable to perform serious and responsible scholarship. Time to resign. Bad example for students, other faculty and beyond. Institutions must choose better or lose all credibility.


If plagiarism is repeated, after having it pointed out, then it is no longer unintentional.
If someone is not putting in the effort to properly attribute quotes etc. then the plagiarism is wilful and therefore deliberate. Lemmie has more than adequately demonstrated, DCP is putting effort into plagiarism, so it’s wilful plagiarism. Anybody who has read the thread, considered the evidence put forward, and who has a modicum of intellectual honesty, can reach no other conclusion than we have seen examples of wilful plagiarism.
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I mean, Mak posted this from way back in 2013:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31043&start=21

SURE HOPE DESERET NEWS DOESN'T DO AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW ON DANIEL C. PETERSON'S CONTRIBUTIONS

You'll also note some of the comments from page two of the thread, and just how serious some institutions take plagiarism, repeatedly "unintentional" or not.

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