Polygamy

[_cwald]

OMG grindael, that is some fascinating history. Thank you and keep posting.

Great work grindael.

[_Lemmie]

OMG grindael, that is some fascinating history. Thank you and keep posting.

Great work grindael.

Indeed. Between Grindael’s work and Maks’ list I’ve learned more about my family’s brush with polygamy than I thought possible.

What I really find astonishing is that my parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents not only had to have known all of this, but they even lived some of it. How could they continue in that church, knowing what they knew?

[_grindael]

I know I'm posting a couple of links without any commentary...but I've read them. In a nutshell, we have a very complicated/messy narrative going on during 1841-1842. It's not as simple as saying "Who are you going to believe?"

By the way, these two links are worth reading for those that want to take a deeper dive into the polygamy narrative in its various forms during the Nauvoo years in LDS church history.

Really? how ridiculous can you get. It is an either/or. Smith & Smith & Young & Taylor & Pratt and just about everyone else who was in Smith's pocket at the time claimed SHE WAS LYING, that IT NEVER HAPPENED. Did you read the "Apostacy" (their spelling) article that Parley wrote for the Millennial Star? Martha WAS LYING, says he, and doing so because she coveted the belongings of Jo and Brigham!

It is absolutely not "complicated".

And going to Meg Stout? again, really? Meg is my friend, but we've gone rounds and rounds wiht this stuff and every credible Mormon Historian that I know doesn't agree with any of her conclusions.She simply makes crap up, and her conclusions are all based on wild speculation that she MAKES UP. But she is an ardent defender of Joe Smith. You are so freaking predictable, little Apologist.

But you still don't know what the hell you are talking about because you are simply the KING of COPY AND PASTE and have never done any research to verify if what you copy and paste is accurate, makes sense, or is even real.

You're a joke.

[_grindael]

OMG grindael, that is some fascinating history. Thank you and keep posting.

Great work grindael.

My friend Mak is a great historian. I'm just a guest on this thread, and glad he's posting about all this and that I can add a bit here and there to keep you all apprised of the real history of Joseph Smith. I keep learning new things all the time, and it all goes into my head and will be spouted out at a later time as I digest and contemplate it. This place is the best, and Shades is a genius. Long after I am gone, this place will be the destination of the curious, the needy, the hurt, the believer and critic of all things Mormon. It will be the icon while all others will fade and be forgotten. Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy).

I almost let the trolls here get the best of me, and I assure you all, that will never happen again. I will keep posting, I guaran-fucking-tee it.

[_I have a question]

The best thing for President Nelson to do is to come out at General Conference and say that the church was WRONG about polygamy, just as it was WRONG in its racist doctrines and it was WRONG to cover up and lie about Mountain Meadows. That would go a long way with me.

I wonder what Wendy and the second Mrs Oaks might think about that if he did...

[_mentalgymnast]

Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy).

Mark my words. You highly over rate/over state the effects of your doings as anti-Mormons and detractors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the CofJCofLDS will continue to fill the earth before the Second Coming of the Savior. The lowly in heart and meek of the earth will come into God's Kingdom. You and your ilk/kind will melt away as the morning dew and there will be nothing of any value left to see except for some broken testimonies and hearts of those that have left the church.

As I've said before, you and your kind are a necessary part of the 'program' in that it is needful that there is opposition in all things so that folks are left to either choose to believe in Jesus Christ/Heavenly Father and adherence to gospel ordinances/commandments or go their own way. Faith and belief in God is an act of agency which entails real choices.

I don't count myself as a Mopologist as much as I count myself as a disciple of Christ and seeker of truth. And that seems to bother you to no end. For the times that I may have offended/hurt you, I apologize. I could have been better.

And by the way, if the Apostles and Prophets are indeed called by Jesus Christ, they're not going anywhere as did the dinosaurs. In fact, they will hand over the kingdom over to Christ when He returns.

Carry on, as you must.

Regards,
MG

[_thechair]

About a year ago, after I finished reading House Full of Females, I was moved to promise my wife I would never be sealed to another woman. And I did it again in front of dinner friends, including my Stake President and his wife. His wife isn't a fan of polygamy, and I'm told reading about polygamy in Saints was troubling for her.

What if a movement started where husbands so inclined could sign their names to a statement affirming that polygamy was an error (a dumpster fire, really), and then promise exclusivity in eternity as well as here? What if there was a website that could manage this for public viewing? (Polygamywasamistake.com, lol.) Husbands could say, "honey, look what I promised." Wives could link it up and share it all over. If a critical mass were achieved, perhaps a dent could be made. An ad hoc withdrawal of tacit common consent on this one issue.

[_thechair]

An essential and great part of the joy of marriage, and it should be also of sexual union, derives from exclusivity. There is no reason to think that this will change in Heaven, other than perhaps to increase there BECAUSE of final, eternal exclusivity. It beggars my imagination to suppose wives in Heaven will suddenly get some new sort of charge from "sharing."

[_mentalgymnast]

An essential and great part of the joy of marriage, and it should be also of sexual union, derives from exclusivity. There is no reason to think that this will change in Heaven, other than perhaps to increase there BECAUSE of final, eternal exclusivity. It beggars my imagination to suppose wives in Heaven will suddenly get some new sort of charge from "sharing."

I don't think, as long as you and your wife both are judged worthy, that there will be any worries about having to take additional companions/wives. You and your wife will be able to live exclusively with one another. Is there a church doctrine/teaching which would negate this?

Regards,
MG

[Guest]

Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy).

Mark my words. You highly over rate/over state the effects of your doings as anti-Mormons and detractors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the CofJCofLDS will continue to fill the earth before the Second Coming of the Savior. The lowly in heart and meek of the earth will come into God's Kingdom. You and your ilk/kind will melt away as the morning dew and there will be nothing of any value left to see except for some broken testimonies and hearts of those that have left the church.

As I've said before, you and your kind are a necessary part of the 'program' in that it is needful that there is opposition in all things so that folks are left to either choose to believe in Jesus Christ/Heavenly Father and adherence to gospel ordinances/commandments or go their own way. Faith and belief in God is an act of agency which entails real choices.

I don't count myself as a Mopologist as much as I count myself as a disciple of Christ and seeker of truth. And that seems to bother you to no end. For the times that I may have offended/hurt you, I apologize. I could have been better.

And by the way, if the Apostles and Prophets are indeed called by Jesus Christ, they're not going anywhere as did the dinosaurs. In fact, they will hand over the kingdom over to Christ when He returns.

Carry on, as you must.

Regards,
MG

No facts will ever penetrate your pride and egotism. And yes, that is the sign of a cult member.

Yes, bear your testimony of the holiness of sexual predation. Bear your testimony to generations of lies. That is your offense and you are determined to endlessly defend it. Your weasel words to try and transcend and condescend have failed. You are unmasked.

You can try to make it about us but we didn't create polygamy. We didn't create the Mountain Meadows Massacre. We didn't create the industry of fanaticism and delusion that is Mormonism. We just call you on it. You own it. The whole corrupt, stinking, unholy mess.