Church comments on SEC settlement

[Rivendale]

Jesus taught about the wheat and the chaff. I’m simply making application to what might be happening in today’s world with those that stay in the church vs. leave.

Think what you will in regards to how much or how thoroughly I’ve read. I can’t stop you from pointing accusing fingers.

I want to sincerely thank you for being here to represent the Church, MG. They could not have a more appropriate spokesperson. You truly mirror the full level of morality, empathy, and intellectual rigor found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

But then, you always do.

It is interesting that even the non doctrinal non historical problems with Mormonism cause an onslaught of defensive arguments. It seems that indoctrination is so systemic that even obvious, blatant, illegal actions stimulate the fight mechanism rather than the flight reflex.

[sock puppet]

Jesus taught about the wheat and the chaff. I’m simply making application to what might be happening in today’s world with those that stay in the church vs. leave.

Think what you will in regards to how much or how thoroughly I’ve read. I can’t stop you from pointing accusing fingers.

I quite agree. The LDS church is pretty much nothing left but chaff.

[MG 2.0]

Jesus taught about the wheat and the chaff. I’m simply making application to what might be happening in today’s world with those that stay in the church vs. leave.

Think what you will in regards to how much or how thoroughly I’ve read. I can’t stop you from pointing accusing fingers.

I want to sincerely thank you for being here to represent the Church, MG. They could not have a more appropriate spokesperson. You truly mirror the full level of morality, empathy, and intellectual rigor found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Disclaimer:
The views expressed on this board by the poster known as MG 2.0 are solely his own writing in his capacity as an individual. The views expressed are in no way meant to represent the views of the CofJCofLDS of which this poster is a member. The views of the poster known as MG 2.0 should not be construed to be the views of another member of said church. MG 2.0 acts as an independent agent with views of his own and does not represent those views in respect to being a spokesperson for the church. MG 2.0 does represent himself to be a person of moral integrity and rectitude and is willing to step up to the bar of God or any earthly tribunal as a witness to testify that this is true. Knowing at the same time that in some venues (such as online boards inhabited mainly by critics of the CofJCofLDS) his character, moral rectitude, and intellectual capacity will be ridiculed or brought into question.

This being said I would also recognize the superior level of morality, empathy, and intellectual rigor found in the members of this board who profess to be critics of the above mentioned church and its leaders. One can only bow to that superiority in humble admiration and recognition of one’s own deficiencies in character and judgement.

There is no other way.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor Steuss]

A superior level of morality isn’t necessary. Just a basic one. Like, it’s wrong to be willfully and intentionally dishonest on legal documents.

[Morley]

MG 2.0 does represent himself to be a person of moral integrity and rectitude and is willing to step up to the bar of God or any earthly tribunal as a witness to testify that this is true.

Ah. Thank you.

[MG 2.0]

I want to sincerely thank you for being here to represent the Church, MG. They could not have a more appropriate spokesperson. You truly mirror the full level of morality, empathy, and intellectual rigor found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

But then, you always do.

It is interesting that even the non doctrinal non historical problems with Mormonism cause an onslaught of defensive arguments. It seems that indoctrination is so systemic that even obvious, blatant, illegal actions stimulate the fight mechanism rather than the flight reflex.

It does appear that there may have been a degree of the ‘end justifying the means’ along the way. But again, I would say that the motivations were pure in the sense that the best interests of the members of the church were at the core in the decisions made along the way. Once what may have appeared to be a minor decision meant to use existing frameworks of financial/institutional practice to insulate the wealth of the church snowballed as wealth increased and then diversified it became increasingly difficult to reign things in.

It became an example bureaucratic inertia in the sense that once decisions were made it was difficult to go backwards. Until the SEC forced the issue.

The church admitted as much recognizing that mistakes were made.

As an active believing member of the church, however, I don’t draw a straight line between these financial operations and liabilities and the four fold mission of the church.

For some of the reasons I’ve mentioned earlier.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

MG 2.0 does represent himself to be a person of moral integrity and rectitude and is willing to step up to the bar of God or any earthly tribunal as a witness to testify that this is true.

Ah. Thank you.

Time and place?

I’m sure you would be willing to do the same.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

A superior level of morality isn’t necessary. Just a basic one. Like, it’s wrong to be willfully and intentionally dishonest on legal documents.

Well, he still hasn’t read the document. He skimmed it, picked out a bit he thought gave the church wiggle room, and posted it. He literally won’t read quotes from the document, and he certainly won’t read the document itself. He’s a morgbot through and through, and if there’s one thing they absolutely 100% refuse to do is actually read something longer than a few sentences. Larping is easier.

- Doc

[drumdude]

I think it’s clear that the church worships Mammon, MG.

If I were you and believed in God, I would be trying to find a better religion. Your soul may be at stake.

[MG 2.0]

A superior level of morality isn’t necessary. Just a basic one. Like, it’s wrong to be willfully and intentionally dishonest on legal documents.

Well, he still hasn’t read the document. He skimmed it, picked a bit he thought gave the church wiggle room, and posted. He literally won’t read quotes from the document, and he certainly won’t read the document itself. He’s a morgbot through and through, and if there’s one they absolutely 100% refuse to do is actually read something longer than a few sentences. Larping is easier.

- Doc

I read the complete document. You can, of course, either chose to believe or disbelieve me. Yes, I did find a supportive statement for my inclination to think that nefarious motives did not play a part in the actions of the church and/or its legal/financial arms/institutions.

You, of course, read right past that.

Regards,
MG