Mr. Scratch's Guide to FAIR

[_asbestosman]

Perhaps the accusation of fabrication was a fabrication of sorts? After all, that wouldn't imply Kevin was lying. ;)

I don't know the circumstances of the accusation.

It was meant as a bit of humor directed at Kevin's side of the story. Since Kevin maintains that he did not accuse Brian Hauglid of lying with the word "fabricate", I thought it would be somewhat humorous to throw that word back on the situation. Looking at other posts you've made on tihs board, it appears that you've beaten me to the punch a long time ago with utilizing "fabricate".

However, in context I think it is reasonable to suppose that Kevin meant "fabricate a reason to leave" as in "a pretense to leave" the discussion. Perhaps Kevin meant it differently, but I think it is quite reasonable to suppose that an accusation of Hauglid being less than forthright was in Kevin's last post--at least as it stands today. One could also read it to mean that Kevin accused Hauglid of telling a "white lie" (the way Obi Wan did to Luke Skywalker when he told him his father was dead or the way one might leave an offensive discussion by claiming one must visit the restroom).

[_Pahoran]

5) No-one has ever been banned from the FAIRBoards for asking "hard questions," but for deceitful and/or uncivil behaviour.

If this were true, you would've banned eons ago.

Trouble with that is, there are always too many people ahead of me on the list.

Like you for instance.

You were banned for lying about your identity. "That's not me, that's another Mister Scratch on that other forum." "Really? Then why is that 'other Mister Scratch' identifying himself as you and describing his interactions on threads you started?"

That's odd. I don't recall having ever posted anything about that on FAIR. I tried to tell my side of the story but was prohibited from doing so by Nomos. May I ask where you're getting your information? Is this another case of mods sharing supposedly "private" information?

No. It's all available on FAIR's search engine.

The thread was called "FARMS Bashing." The saga begins with Daniel Peterson's post on July 24 2006 at 10:40 pm, wherein he posted:

Incidentally, Scratch, on another matter: While I was looking through a treasury of quotations today that I've saved from the Recovery Board, I came across this one, from you:

DCP is alive and ticking. Slippery Joe and Briggy are long gone, and so it's not quite the same to pick on them. There's something that is more satisfying---in a nebulous but reaffirming sort of way---about calling Peterson a lard ass and a douche bag, as opposed to talking trash about Polygamy Joe. -- "Mister Scratch," The "Recovery" Board (7 March 2006)

I'd forgotten about it. You're really quite eloquent, though.

Scott Lloyd then commented, on July 25 2006 at 10:38 am:

My, my!

And to think that Scratch objects to having his posts here filtered through the Queue.

Add on:

It can be so very enlightening, the stripping away of facades such as the following:

For the record, I am a member in full fellowship, and am in fact descended from a long line of LDS. I am interested in everyone being fully informed about the Church and its doctrines, and in avoiding, to the greatest extent possible, defections from the Church due to people feeling deceived or misled. My goal is not to "turn people against the Church"; my goal is to perfect the Saints.

In the interest of "full disclosure," being "fully informed," and all that, one is moved to ask: Who is the real Mr. Scratch: the earnest and solemn perfecter of the Saints with the long LDS pedigree, or the rabble-rousing, trash-talking, insult-spewing adventurer from the oddly named "Recovery" board?

I doubt that anyone here in this forum would have any doubt as to the true answer to that question.

Next Dan, on July 26 2006 at 03:59 pm:

I've just been informed that Mr. Scratch vigorously denies being the author of some grossly insulting lines, directed against me on the so-called "Recovery" board, that I quoted here the other day.

If he denies it, I'm happy to take him at his word.

It never entered my mind, frankly, that there might be two people, both critical of Mormonism, actively posting under the (to my mind, slightly uncommon) name of "Mr. Scratch."

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Maybe I'm too proud to apologise, but clearly Dan isn't. Incidentally, have you ever apologised for so shamelessly lying to him?

I should live so long!

The next conment came from Nomos:

Thank you Dr. P for the apology... I'm sure Mister Scratch appreciates it.

Posters,

Unfortunately if someone is using a name that a poster uses here, on another board there is no way to verify, or disabuse others of the notion that it is the same person.

If this happens to you the only recourse is to take it up with the board where the offending posts are being posted. We can change your name here if that is desired, so that you are disassociated with the offending poster.

So for the record at FAIRboards: Mister Scratch is not Rollo is not Mister Scratch from RFM. Please don't report or confuse the three as such.

You sure pulled the wool over his eyes, huh? You must have been feeling pretty smug at that point.

And then the roof fell in.

On July 26 2006 at 10:58 pm, Dan wrote:

It's really difficult to tell the players without a scorecard. Here's part of an exchange that was posted just two days ago over on the so-called "Recovery" board, on a thread begun by our own "Mr. Scratch" to discuss a "sordid tale" of "perversion" at the MTC for which he was "looking for some confirmational anecdotal evidence":

Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 10:43
Author: Lost Soul
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mister Scratch!
Are you the same Mister Scratch from FAIR?
Good to see you here!


Subject:Â Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 16:43
Author: Mister Scratch
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup. I'm the same old Scratch from FAIR. Nomos put me on the queue after I proved that there is (unfortunately) no doctrinal or scriptural support for interracial marriage. Basically, BY's order that anyone participating in miscegenation deserved "death on the spot" is still in effect, at least given what the Brethren have said on the matter. The ban on interracial marriage has never been officially rescinded.
I pointed this out at length on my last thread over there, even showing that DCP was relying on the logical fallacy of the Bandwagon Appeal, and I got queued for my troubles. I would really like to go back and participate in the debate, but no dice.
Nomos accused me of playing "word games." But, of course, nobody was willing to offer up any solid evidence of that. They punished me because they didn't like what I had to say. Plain and simple.

There you are, over on the so-called "recovery" cesspit, complaining about being queued on FAIR, and boasting about how well you had argued your case. (You hadn't.) Thus, your denials were exposed as lies: the "Mister Scratch" on RfM was the "Mister Scratch" on FAIR. Dan ironically commented:

It would never have entered my mind that there might be two different critics of Mormonism actively posting on the so-called "Recovery" board under the (somewhat unusual) name of "Mr. Scratch." (Along with seeking anecdotal confirmation of perversions in the MTC, our Mr. Scratch -- or, perhaps, the other "Recovery" board poster of the same name -- also used the Pioneer Day weekend to accuse the Church of falsifying its history.)

The mods then inserted an interlinear comment:

Moderator: My apologies for getting caught up in Mr. Scratch's game. Messing with the moderators is not nice, Mr. Scratch. Nor is it a good idea.

Then Nomos posted, on July 27 2006, 10:23 am:

Well Mister Scratch, if that is who you are?!

Were going to save you the embarassment of being a split personality by deleting your account here.

If someone on RFM is playing games with your name, you need to take it up with them.

If this is what passes for recovery and honesty they can keep it over there.

-Nomos

There you are, Scratch. The whole sordid story. Do you perhaps imagine it makes FAIR look bad? The Mods? Dan?

Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, you appear to be a brazen liar and two-faced ratbag?

If anyone wonders about your fanatical obsession with FAIR--this explains it. If anyone wonders why you so bitterly resent Dan Peterson--this tells the tale. If anyone wonders why you so particularly obsess about Dan looking stuff up on RfM--now they know why.

You were caught, Scratchy. I am a great believer in repentance, and for that reason, I support the Church's stance on confidentiality regarding confessions and Church discipline. But this was not one of those occasions where confidentiality attaches. You did your sinning in the open, so your punishment was as well.

Now if you were showing any sign of putting it behind you, I'd be more than happy to let the matter rest; but you are not. You obsessively hate FAIR and all who are associated with it, and you are determined to get even; hence your obesessive hate blog. Hence your obsessive attack posts in this forum.

The first step to recovery is acceptance. Accept that you were banned from FAIR for good, just and sound reasons. Accept that they tolerated your shenanigans far longer than ever they should have. Accept that your attempted deception failed.

Accept it, learn from it, and move on.

Stop obsessing about FAIR.

Not sure whether Shades' committment to strict neutrality and freedom of speech will stand up to one of his darlings being thus exposed, I am saving this post.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_asbestosman]

Not sure whether Shades' committment to strict neutrality and freedom of speech will stand up to one of his darlings being thus exposed, I am saving this post.

But what will you do with it? FAIR almost surely won't host it. Do you have your own site?

Just curious.

By the way, since you are also a computer expert of sorts, are you aware of any trusted third party sites that will digitially sign webpages as a means of non-repudation--a means of verifying that a web page (or part of a web page) did indeed exist at a particular website at a particular time? It seems to me that such a thing would be useful for many situations.

[_wenglund]

I see that Kevin is a regular participant here. I'll give him a chance to set the record straight if he chooses. I can tell you that his most recent banning was for using sock-puppets.

It is true that Kevin has multiple accounts at FAIR by his own admission. Have these been discovered and banned?

I don't know if all of them have; I do know that another one was recently.

I have no idea why any person of good character would want to make the mods' job harder by trying to outwit them. It is rightly viewed as an attack upon the forum, and merits banning, IMHO.

Otherwise according to Dunamis, Kevin was banned for calling Brian Hauglid a liar. According to Kevin, Kevin only said that Brian "fabricated" something which is not the same as accusing someone of lying.

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=17196&view=findpost&p=1208011775

Well, it's tantamount to it. It's rather hard to fabricate something that one believes to be true, or validly holds as an opinion.

Brian Hauglid is a prominent LDS scholar. Anyone who thinks FAIR exists to expose its valuable posters to vicious cheap shots from anonymous individuals should ask themselves why they would imagine such a thing.

And yes, I have reason to believe that "Kevin Graham" is in fact pseudonymous, which makes him anonymous.

Regards,Pahoran

I can confirm that "Kevin Graham" is a pseudonym. The person using that screen name at Mormon Think Tank and FAIR and ZLMB informed be two days ago that was, in fact, the case (it caught me by surprise). I would cut and paste here what he/she said, but as of yesterday I have been banned from MTT (or, as the mods there like to "technically" call it, my user I.D. has been denied access), and so I no longer have access to the thread where it was stated.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Pahoran]

I can confirm that "Kevin Graham" is a pseudonym. The person using that screen name at Mormon Think Tank and FAIR and ZLMB informed be two days ago that was, in fact, the case (it caught me by surprise). I would cut and paste here what he/she said, but as of yesterday I have been banned from MTT (or, as the mods there like to "technically" call it, my user I.D. has been denied access), and so I no longer have access to the thread where it was stated.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hi Wade,

So the much-touted MTT isn't that tolerant of divergent viewpoints either? Who'da thunk it!

Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Scratchy's book and start a blog in which you compile nasty and highly inaccurate "dossiers" on some of the dramatis personae over there.

But then again, perhaps hateful obsessing is not your style.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_wenglund]

5) No-one has ever been banned from the FAIRBoards for asking "hard questions," but for deceitful and/or uncivil behaviour.

If this were true, you would've banned eons ago.

Trouble with that is, there are always too many people ahead of me on the list.

Like you for instance.

You were banned for lying about your identity. "That's not me, that's another Mister Scratch on that other forum." "Really? Then why is that 'other Mister Scratch' identifying himself as you and describing his interactions on threads you started?"

That's odd. I don't recall having ever posted anything about that on FAIR. I tried to tell my side of the story but was prohibited from doing so by Nomos. May I ask where you're getting your information? Is this another case of mods sharing supposedly "private" information?

No. It's all available on FAIR's search engine.

The thread was called "FARMS Bashing." The saga begins with Daniel Peterson's post on July 24 2006 at 10:40 pm, wherein he posted:

Incidentally, Scratch, on another matter: While I was looking through a treasury of quotations today that I've saved from the Recovery Board, I came across this one, from you:

DCP is alive and ticking. Slippery Joe and Briggy are long gone, and so it's not quite the same to pick on them. There's something that is more satisfying---in a nebulous but reaffirming sort of way---about calling Peterson a lard ass and a douche bag, as opposed to talking trash about Polygamy Joe. -- "Mister Scratch," The "Recovery" Board (7 March 2006)

I'd forgotten about it. You're really quite eloquent, though.

Scott Lloyd then commented, on July 25 2006 at 10:38 am:

My, my!

And to think that Scratch objects to having his posts here filtered through the Queue.

Add on:

It can be so very enlightening, the stripping away of facades such as the following:

For the record, I am a member in full fellowship, and am in fact descended from a long line of LDS. I am interested in everyone being fully informed about the Church and its doctrines, and in avoiding, to the greatest extent possible, defections from the Church due to people feeling deceived or misled. My goal is not to "turn people against the Church"; my goal is to perfect the Saints.

In the interest of "full disclosure," being "fully informed," and all that, one is moved to ask: Who is the real Mr. Scratch: the earnest and solemn perfecter of the Saints with the long LDS pedigree, or the rabble-rousing, trash-talking, insult-spewing adventurer from the oddly named "Recovery" board?

I doubt that anyone here in this forum would have any doubt as to the true answer to that question.

Next Dan, on July 26 2006 at 03:59 pm:

I've just been informed that Mr. Scratch vigorously denies being the author of some grossly insulting lines, directed against me on the so-called "Recovery" board, that I quoted here the other day.

If he denies it, I'm happy to take him at his word.

It never entered my mind, frankly, that there might be two people, both critical of Mormonism, actively posting under the (to my mind, slightly uncommon) name of "Mr. Scratch."

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Maybe I'm too proud to apologise, but clearly Dan isn't. Incidentally, have you ever apologised for so shamelessly lying to him?

I should live so long!

The next conment came from Nomos:

Thank you Dr. P for the apology... I'm sure Mister Scratch appreciates it.

Posters,

Unfortunately if someone is using a name that a poster uses here, on another board there is no way to verify, or disabuse others of the notion that it is the same person.

If this happens to you the only recourse is to take it up with the board where the offending posts are being posted. We can change your name here if that is desired, so that you are disassociated with the offending poster.

So for the record at FAIRboards: Mister Scratch is not Rollo is not Mister Scratch from RFM. Please don't report or confuse the three as such.

You sure pulled the wool over his eyes, huh? You must have been feeling pretty smug at that point.

And then the roof fell in.

On July 26 2006 at 10:58 pm, Dan wrote:

It's really difficult to tell the players without a scorecard. Here's part of an exchange that was posted just two days ago over on the so-called "Recovery" board, on a thread begun by our own "Mr. Scratch" to discuss a "sordid tale" of "perversion" at the MTC for which he was "looking for some confirmational anecdotal evidence":

Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 10:43
Author: Lost Soul
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mister Scratch!
Are you the same Mister Scratch from FAIR?
Good to see you here!


Subject:Â Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 16:43
Author: Mister Scratch
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup. I'm the same old Scratch from FAIR. Nomos put me on the queue after I proved that there is (unfortunately) no doctrinal or scriptural support for interracial marriage. Basically, BY's order that anyone participating in miscegenation deserved "death on the spot" is still in effect, at least given what the Brethren have said on the matter. The ban on interracial marriage has never been officially rescinded.
I pointed this out at length on my last thread over there, even showing that DCP was relying on the logical fallacy of the Bandwagon Appeal, and I got queued for my troubles. I would really like to go back and participate in the debate, but no dice.
Nomos accused me of playing "word games." But, of course, nobody was willing to offer up any solid evidence of that. They punished me because they didn't like what I had to say. Plain and simple.

There you are, over on the so-called "recovery" cesspit, complaining about being queued on FAIR, and boasting about how well you had argued your case. (You hadn't.) Thus, your denials were exposed as lies: the "Mister Scratch" on RfM was the "Mister Scratch" on FAIR. Dan ironically commented:

It would never have entered my mind that there might be two different critics of Mormonism actively posting on the so-called "Recovery" board under the (somewhat unusual) name of "Mr. Scratch." (Along with seeking anecdotal confirmation of perversions in the MTC, our Mr. Scratch -- or, perhaps, the other "Recovery" board poster of the same name -- also used the Pioneer Day weekend to accuse the Church of falsifying its history.)

The mods then inserted an interlinear comment:

Moderator: My apologies for getting caught up in Mr. Scratch's game. Messing with the moderators is not nice, Mr. Scratch. Nor is it a good idea.

Then Nomos posted, on July 27 2006, 10:23 am:

Well Mister Scratch, if that is who you are?!

Were going to save you the embarassment of being a split personality by deleting your account here.

If someone on RFM is playing games with your name, you need to take it up with them.

If this is what passes for recovery and honesty they can keep it over there.

-Nomos

There you are, Scratch. The whole sordid story. Do you perhaps imagine it makes FAIR look bad? The Mods? Dan?

Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, you appear to be a brazen liar and two-faced ratbag?

This is fascinating. It presents quite a different picture than the scrubbed version Scratch briefly offerred at MTT.

It is evident now (if not already before) that my concerns have been justified about Scratch and Kevin not fully and accurately representing FAIR in their gripe sessions at MTT.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

I can confirm that "Kevin Graham" is a pseudonym. The person using that screen name at Mormon Think Tank and FAIR and ZLMB informed be two days ago that was, in fact, the case (it caught me by surprise). I would cut and paste here what he/she said, but as of yesterday I have been banned from MTT (or, as the mods there like to "technically" call it, my user I.D. has been denied access), and so I no longer have access to the thread where it was stated.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hi Wade,

So the much-touted MTT isn't that tolerant of divergent viewpoints either? Who'da thunk it!

Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Scratchy's book and start a blog in which you compile nasty and highly inaccurate "dossiers" on some of the dramatis personae over there.

But then again, perhaps hateful obsessing is not your style.

Regards,
Pahoran

Hateful obsessing is not my style. But, I had thought, as an object lesson, to mimic/mirror Scratch's and Kevin's behavior in that way, but my interactions with them on MTT has taught me that they just don't get it. They seem terminally blind to faults in themselves that they are too quick to see in others (often mistakenly).

I am hoping that by modeling mature behavior, and rightly not giving the matter a care, they just might understand the point I failed to convey to them at MTT--though I won't hold my breath.

To those who actually do get it, my giving a simple FYI about my being banned at MTT (along with a poster using the named Juliann Reynolds), whether intended or not (it's not), should more than suffice in indavertantly discrediting much of the postering going on at MTT--as if anyone, but them, may be the least interested.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Mister Scratch]

5) No-one has ever been banned from the FAIRBoards for asking "hard questions," but for deceitful and/or uncivil behaviour.

If this were true, you would've banned eons ago.

Trouble with that is, there are always too many people ahead of me on the list.

Like you for instance.

You were banned for lying about your identity. "That's not me, that's another Mister Scratch on that other forum." "Really? Then why is that 'other Mister Scratch' identifying himself as you and describing his interactions on threads you started?"

That's odd. I don't recall having ever posted anything about that on FAIR. I tried to tell my side of the story but was prohibited from doing so by Nomos. May I ask where you're getting your information? Is this another case of mods sharing supposedly "private" information?

No. It's all available on FAIR's search engine.

The thread was called "FARMS Bashing." The saga begins with Daniel Peterson's post on July 24 2006 at 10:40 pm, wherein he posted:

Incidentally, Scratch, on another matter: While I was looking through a treasury of quotations today that I've saved from the Recovery Board, I came across this one, from you:

DCP is alive and ticking. Slippery Joe and Briggy are long gone, and so it's not quite the same to pick on them. There's something that is more satisfying---in a nebulous but reaffirming sort of way---about calling Peterson a lard ass and a douche bag, as opposed to talking trash about Polygamy Joe. -- "Mister Scratch," The "Recovery" Board (7 March 2006)

I'd forgotten about it. You're really quite eloquent, though.

Scott Lloyd then commented, on July 25 2006 at 10:38 am:

My, my!

And to think that Scratch objects to having his posts here filtered through the Queue.

Add on:

It can be so very enlightening, the stripping away of facades such as the following:

For the record, I am a member in full fellowship, and am in fact descended from a long line of LDS. I am interested in everyone being fully informed about the Church and its doctrines, and in avoiding, to the greatest extent possible, defections from the Church due to people feeling deceived or misled. My goal is not to "turn people against the Church"; my goal is to perfect the Saints.

In the interest of "full disclosure," being "fully informed," and all that, one is moved to ask: Who is the real Mr. Scratch: the earnest and solemn perfecter of the Saints with the long LDS pedigree, or the rabble-rousing, trash-talking, insult-spewing adventurer from the oddly named "Recovery" board?

I doubt that anyone here in this forum would have any doubt as to the true answer to that question.

Next Dan, on July 26 2006 at 03:59 pm:

I've just been informed that Mr. Scratch vigorously denies being the author of some grossly insulting lines, directed against me on the so-called "Recovery" board, that I quoted here the other day.

If he denies it, I'm happy to take him at his word.

It never entered my mind, frankly, that there might be two people, both critical of Mormonism, actively posting under the (to my mind, slightly uncommon) name of "Mr. Scratch."

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Maybe I'm too proud to apologise, but clearly Dan isn't. Incidentally, have you ever apologised for so shamelessly lying to him?

I should live so long!

The next conment came from Nomos:

Thank you Dr. P for the apology... I'm sure Mister Scratch appreciates it.

Posters,

Unfortunately if someone is using a name that a poster uses here, on another board there is no way to verify, or disabuse others of the notion that it is the same person.

If this happens to you the only recourse is to take it up with the board where the offending posts are being posted. We can change your name here if that is desired, so that you are disassociated with the offending poster.

So for the record at FAIRboards: Mister Scratch is not Rollo is not Mister Scratch from RFM. Please don't report or confuse the three as such.

You sure pulled the wool over his eyes, huh? You must have been feeling pretty smug at that point.

And then the roof fell in.

On July 26 2006 at 10:58 pm, Dan wrote:

It's really difficult to tell the players without a scorecard. Here's part of an exchange that was posted just two days ago over on the so-called "Recovery" board, on a thread begun by our own "Mr. Scratch" to discuss a "sordid tale" of "perversion" at the MTC for which he was "looking for some confirmational anecdotal evidence":

Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 10:43
Author: Lost Soul
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mister Scratch!
Are you the same Mister Scratch from FAIR?
Good to see you here!


Subject:Â Re: Sexual Perversion, the MTC, and the "Tree of Life"
Date:Â Jul 24 16:43
Author: Mister Scratch
Mail Address:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup. I'm the same old Scratch from FAIR. Nomos put me on the queue after I proved that there is (unfortunately) no doctrinal or scriptural support for interracial marriage. Basically, BY's order that anyone participating in miscegenation deserved "death on the spot" is still in effect, at least given what the Brethren have said on the matter. The ban on interracial marriage has never been officially rescinded.
I pointed this out at length on my last thread over there, even showing that DCP was relying on the logical fallacy of the Bandwagon Appeal, and I got queued for my troubles. I would really like to go back and participate in the debate, but no dice.
Nomos accused me of playing "word games." But, of course, nobody was willing to offer up any solid evidence of that. They punished me because they didn't like what I had to say. Plain and simple.

There you are, over on the so-called "recovery" cesspit, complaining about being queued on FAIR, and boasting about how well you had argued your case. (You hadn't.) Thus, your denials were exposed as lies: the "Mister Scratch" on RfM was the "Mister Scratch" on FAIR. Dan ironically commented:

It would never have entered my mind that there might be two different critics of Mormonism actively posting on the so-called "Recovery" board under the (somewhat unusual) name of "Mr. Scratch." (Along with seeking anecdotal confirmation of perversions in the MTC, our Mr. Scratch -- or, perhaps, the other "Recovery" board poster of the same name -- also used the Pioneer Day weekend to accuse the Church of falsifying its history.)

The mods then inserted an interlinear comment:

Moderator: My apologies for getting caught up in Mr. Scratch's game. Messing with the moderators is not nice, Mr. Scratch. Nor is it a good idea.

Then Nomos posted, on July 27 2006, 10:23 am:

Well Mister Scratch, if that is who you are?!

Were going to save you the embarassment of being a split personality by deleting your account here.

If someone on RFM is playing games with your name, you need to take it up with them.

If this is what passes for recovery and honesty they can keep it over there.

-Nomos

There you are, Scratch. The whole sordid story. Do you perhaps imagine it makes FAIR look bad? The Mods? Dan?

Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, you appear to be a brazen liar and two-faced ratbag?

If anyone wonders about your fanatical obsession with FAIR--this explains it. If anyone wonders why you so bitterly resent Dan Peterson--this tells the tale. If anyone wonders why you so particularly obsess about Dan looking stuff up on RfM--now they know why.

You were caught, Scratchy. I am a great believer in repentance, and for that reason, I support the Church's stance on confidentiality regarding confessions and Church discipline. But this was not one of those occasions where confidentiality attaches. You did your sinning in the open, so your punishment was as well.

Now if you were showing any sign of putting it behind you, I'd be more than happy to let the matter rest; but you are not. You obsessively hate FAIR and all who are associated with it, and you are determined to get even; hence your obesessive hate blog. Hence your obsessive attack posts in this forum.

The first step to recovery is acceptance. Accept that you were banned from FAIR for good, just and sound reasons. Accept that they tolerated your shenanigans far longer than ever they should have. Accept that your attempted deception failed.

Accept it, learn from it, and move on.

Stop obsessing about FAIR.

Not sure whether Shades' committment to strict neutrality and freedom of speech will stand up to one of his darlings being thus exposed, I am saving this post.

Regards,
Pahoran

Yes, and where are my remarks in there, Pahoran? Did you conveniently edit out my side of the story or, no, wait... That's right. I never got to present it.

Here's a question: Where did Prof. Peterson get that very first quote? Can he provide a link to it? How, for instance, do we know that he didn't invent it out of whole cloth? Or that he didn't mix up a legitimate post from yours truly with somebody elses?

Here's another question: Why did Prof. P. see fit to post that "douche bag" quote in the first place? How and in what ways was it relevant to the discussion underway?

While I have been guilty of making jokes about Professor Peterson in the past, I was not the author of that "douche bag" quote. I was the victim of a patented DCP smear campaign, and all you've demonstrated here is that you've been engaging in gossip with the FAIRmods.

I'll repeat: I did not write that post. If you can offer up some real evidence that I did, then maybe we can talk. Until then, it would be awfully nice if you'd avoid making accusations that neither you, nor DCP can substantiate, my dear gollum friend.

[_Mister Scratch]

I can confirm that "Kevin Graham" is a pseudonym. The person using that screen name at Mormon Think Tank and FAIR and ZLMB informed be two days ago that was, in fact, the case (it caught me by surprise). I would cut and paste here what he/she said, but as of yesterday I have been banned from MTT (or, as the mods there like to "technically" call it, my user I.D. has been denied access), and so I no longer have access to the thread where it was stated.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hi Wade,

So the much-touted MTT isn't that tolerant of divergent viewpoints either? Who'da thunk it!

Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Scratchy's book and start a blog in which you compile nasty and highly inaccurate "dossiers" on some of the dramatis personae over there.

But then again, perhaps hateful obsessing is not your style.

Regards,
Pahoran

What about the dossiers is inaccurate, Pah? I'm totally open to corrections. But then you don't really care, do you? Instead you're interested in feeding your superiority complex, and continuing to play gollum to the FAIRscholars. Keep sucking on that teat, Pah. Some day I'm sure you will get your just desserts.

[_Mister Scratch]

I am not aware that Ol' Scratch--to give the devil his due, as it were--however bitterly he resents being banned from FAIR, and however viciously he festers over it, has ever actually tried to post as a sock-puppet. Although I am aware that he has tried various and devious tricks to log on using spoofed IP addresses, but I have no knowledge of him attempting to post in that mode.

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Keep on suckin' that teat, Pah. Here's yet another question for you: How would you know this? Does this mean that you're a mod? Or that the mods have been gossiping to you? Regardless, I suppose that some level of surveillance does indeed go on within the annals of the ironically named FAIRboard.