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Plutarch wrote:

Pahoran wrote:Interestingly, the only "two" people to ever call me "Pah" were Mister Scratch and "Rollo Tomasi." For that (and other) reasons, I concluded that Scratch was Rollo's sock-puppet. The other reasons were (1) their posting styles were indistinguishable, and (2) Scratch only showed up after Rollo was queued.

I think these are two different guys. Although both are equally erudite, Rollie tends to back up his statements with cites and quotes, whereas Scratchhead does not. Rollie sometimes loses his temper and hurls minor insults; Scratchrear doesn't seem to do that. Scratch is more pompous that Roll-your-faith-and-prophet-under-the-bus.

For what it is worth.

P

Like I said, seeing them both posting here has caused me to reconsider that opinion. If Scratch was invented to end-run Rollo's queueing, why would he bother maintaining both cyber-identities in his home base?

Something else they both have in common, though, is their willingness to make flagrantly counterfactual assertions whenever they think they can get away with them.

Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran wrote:

Plutarch wrote:

Pahoran wrote:Interestingly, the only "two" people to ever call me "Pah" were Mister Scratch and "Rollo Tomasi." For that (and other) reasons, I concluded that Scratch was Rollo's sock-puppet. The other reasons were (1) their posting styles were indistinguishable, and (2) Scratch only showed up after Rollo was queued.

I think these are two different guys. Although both are equally erudite, Rollie tends to back up his statements with cites and quotes, whereas Scratchhead does not. Rollie sometimes loses his temper and hurls minor insults; Scratchrear doesn't seem to do that. Scratch is more pompous that Roll-your-faith-and-prophet-under-the-bus.

For what it is worth.

P

Like I said, seeing them both posting here has caused me to reconsider that opinion. If Scratch was invented to end-run Rollo's queueing, why would he bother maintaining both cyber-identities in his home base?

Something else they both have in common, though, is their willingness to make flagrantly counterfactual assertions whenever they think they can get away with them.

Regards,
Pahoran

Come on, Pahoran. Why beat around the bush? Just call them liars. And hateful ones at that.

Pahoran wrote:Interestingly, the only "two" people to ever call me "Pah" were Mister Scratch and "Rollo Tomasi." For that (and other) reasons, I concluded that Scratch was Rollo's sock-puppet. The other reasons were (1) their posting styles were indistinguishable, and (2) Scratch only showed up after Rollo was queued.

The FAIR mods told me that they were satisfied that the two were not one, and basically told me to shut up about it. I thought they had been fooled, but held my peace. However, now I see that Scratchy and Rollo are both posting freely here, I'm starting to think that maybe they were right.

I see you still suffer from bouts with delusion. For the umpteenth time, Mr. S and I are not the same. I'm quite certain Mr. S started posting at FAIR before I was queued in April (by the way, I was banned in the summer -- I'm not allowed to even read FAIR anymore).

Pahoran wrote:Like I said, seeing them both posting here has caused me to reconsider that opinion. If Scratch was invented to end-run Rollo's queueing, why would he bother maintaining both cyber-identities in his home base?

Something else they both have in common, though, is their willingness to make flagrantly counterfactual assertions whenever they think they can get away with them.

Regards,
Pahoran

Roll-the-dice-with-his-arguments doesn't often do what you say, but there are times when he does. I lost major respect for Mr. Rollhead when, on FAIR, he continued to make the ridiculous argument that the Church should accept homosexual marriages in jurisdictions where it is legal. I can't recall his rationale, but it was merely to provoke, take the opposite view, and berate the faithful. Roll-the-eyes-at-truth is particularly pernicious because he also holds himself out as a card-carrying member of the church, which in my opinion as I read the D&C, makes him "an" anti-Christ. Along with Harmony on this board, who does the same thing but with far less savoir-faire.

P

Pahoran wrote:Like I said, seeing them both posting here has caused me to reconsider that opinion. If Scratch was invented to end-run Rollo's queueing, why would he bother maintaining both cyber-identities in his home base?

Finally ... it appears the light bulb is going on over Pah's shrunken head. ;)

Something else they both have in common, though, is their willingness to make flagrantly counterfactual assertions whenever they think they can get away with them.

It appears you have a couple of typos; here, let me help you fix them:

Pah meant to say:

"Something else they both have in common, though, is their unwillingness to make flagrantly counterfactual assertions like I do." (bold mine for corrected typos). ;)

Plutarch wrote:I lost major respect for Mr. Rollhead when, on FAIR, he continued to make the ridiculous argument that the Church should accept homosexual marriages in jurisdictions where it is legal.

No, I simply said the Church shouldn't excommunicate a member for the sole reason that he did something that is his legal right to do, but with which the Church disagrees politically (i.e., state-endorsed and recognized gay marriage). The Church can continue to be homophobic and not allow gays access to temple (or even chapel) marriage, etc., but I feel the Church is hypocritical when it brags about its very law-abiding members, and then turns around and heaps ecclesiastical punishment on a member for simply exercising a legal right, which is what they were threatening to do to Buckley Jeppson (but have since apparently backed off).

I can't recall his rationale, but it was merely to provoke, take the opposite view, and berate the faithful.

False. I was simply expressing my opinion on a hot topic at the time.

Roll-the-eyes-at-truth is particularly pernicious because he also holds himself out as a card-carrying member of the church, which in my opinion as I read the D&C, makes him "an" anti-Christ.

Pro-truth now brands one as "anti-Christ"?! There you have it, folks; the Church (and uber-TBM's like Bob here) hates those who think for themselves and dare to express it. So much for the "God is intelligence" tripe.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Pahoran wrote:Interestingly, the only "two" people to ever call me "Pah" were Mister Scratch and "Rollo Tomasi." For that (and other) reasons, I concluded that Scratch was Rollo's sock-puppet. The other reasons were (1) their posting styles were indistinguishable, and (2) Scratch only showed up after Rollo was queued.

The FAIR mods told me that they were satisfied that the two were not one, and basically told me to shut up about it. I thought they had been fooled, but held my peace. However, now I see that Scratchy and Rollo are both posting freely here, I'm starting to think that maybe they were right.

I see you still suffer from bouts with delusion. For the umpteenth time, Mr. S and I are not the same. I'm quite certain Mr. S started posting at FAIR before I was queued in April (by the way, I was banned in the summer -- I'm not allowed to even read FAIR anymore).

Actually, Pahoran is right. I did not begin posting at FAIR until, I think, early June. My first post dealt with the firing of Jeffrey Nielson.

However, the fact that it has taken our poor kiwi friend so long to figure out that we're two separate people does in fact lend a great deal of creedence to your assertion that he "suffer[s] from bouts with delusion."

Mister Scratch wrote:
However, the fact that it has taken our poor kiwi friend so long to figure out that we're two separate people does in fact lend a great deal of creedence to your assertion that he "suffer[s] from bouts with delusion."

As in Clearwater Revival? Demand money back for your college education.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Pahoran wrote:Interestingly, the only "two" people to ever call me "Pah" were Mister Scratch and "Rollo Tomasi." For that (and other) reasons, I concluded that Scratch was Rollo's sock-puppet. The other reasons were (1) their posting styles were indistinguishable, and (2) Scratch only showed up after Rollo was queued.

The FAIR mods told me that they were satisfied that the two were not one, and basically told me to shut up about it. I thought they had been fooled, but held my peace. However, now I see that Scratchy and Rollo are both posting freely here, I'm starting to think that maybe they were right.

I see you still suffer from bouts with delusion.

"Still?" All I can say to that is, "Oh."

And now I see that your veneer of civility that you tried to maintain on FAIR was merely a pose.

For the umpteenth time, Mr. S and I are not the same. I'm quite certain Mr. S started posting at FAIR before I was queued in April

Whatever. The problem was that I had no reliable information to the contrary--sock-puppets by definition are not going to admit it, and you had already established negative credibility in your own persona.

(by the way, I was banned in the summer -- I'm not allowed to even read FAIR anymore).

Really? Why?

Please don't try to claim that it's because your arguments were so terrifyingly strong. You and I both know that that's not the case. You and I also both know that plenty of critics at least as smart as you keep right on posting at FAIR, including but not limited to Metcalfe and Vogel.

Try your hand at telling the truth just for a change.

Regards,
Pahoran

Whatever. The problem was that I had no reliable information to the contrary--sock-puppets by definition are not going to admit it, and you had already established negative credibility in your own persona.

So this means, then, that you felt Nomos's remarks were not "reliable"? In other words, you have abandoned FAIR in order to start criticizing the moderation? Be wary, Pah. If you get banned from FAIR, you will receive no such special treatment here.