Why is the only TBM argument against ex/anti/nevermos...

[_Sam Harris]

That of some level or variation of stupidity? Is that all you've got?

We didn't pray enough?

We aren't smart enough to grasp the doctrine?

We're evolutionarily closer to chimps than TBMs, because we can't swallow the claims of the Book of Mormon?

We don't know the real facts, even though they're in plain sight, on the internet, and in the LDS canon?

The list goes on...

Every time I see a TBM (or Juliann, we don't know what the hell she is) claim mental superiority over one of their opponents, I cringe. Don't you people see the asses that you're making of yourselves?

[_harmony]

. Don't you people see the asses that you're making of yourselves?

Short answer: no. Nor do they see the double standard they apply to their study of things religious (or anything else, for that matter).

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

When pigs fly...that is when they will see it....which means never.....cause pigs don't fly.....

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Let me add another analogy

When a woman gets raped the first they will ask her is what were you wearing ....not why did he rape her...

It is always someone else's fault....How can our lack of belief be our down fall??/

that I will never understand or grasp

[_beastie]

Over the years I've concluded that believing Mormons who are aware of the historical, theological, and scientific arguments facing Mormonism are extremely sensitive about being seen as "stupid" by exbelievers. In fact, many exbelievers do think that TBMs are stupid. (I don't) Neither group is stupid. But I think many vocal believers on places like MAD, deep down believe most exbelievers really do think that continued belief in Mormonism is a sign of stupidity. Hence the determination to demonstrate that it's really the exbelievers who are stupid.

That's my personal psychobabble, at least.

[_Sam Harris]

Beastie, you made a very good point. I don't see believing Mormons as stupid, either. To me, religion is like clothing, you find what fits you. God calls people into different places in life, and it's your job to shut up and find out what he wants you to do, rather than spend your time trying to recruit people to do it with you so you won't be so scared.

I think that there is definitely a level of incredulity on the part of exmos that TBMs in particular hang onto the very thing that exmos let go of. I think that might be where the initial claims of stupidity on the exmo part might come in.

Most of the Mormons I know are highly educated. In fact, it was quite daunting as a person who is still a freshman in college, qne persuing a measly religious studies degree no less, to conversate with people who were persuing their PhDs in whatever. That will be me one day, but not right now.

The only thing I think is "stupid" per se, is the TBM insistence on calling out everyone else for being rude, or picking and choosing LDS beliefs to attack, when they have been seen to do the same thing. But point that out, and it either gets ignored, or they claim to not be able to see within themselves what you've pointed out. I think its stupid to call me racist because I use words like "black", "white", or "sista", yet refuse to use words like "cr*cker" or "n*gger", yet reading a book that calls skins of darnkess cursed and calling it of God is not. Not to mention your "clergy" using every justification in the book to hang onto such viewpoints. That's stupid.

Misery, I also think it's stupid to ask a rape victim what she did to get raped. That is such an old and archaic belief. I keep myself covered because of the neighborhood I live in. But it could still happen. Does that mean it's my fault? Did I ask for female genitalia in the pre-existence?

[_marg]

That of some level or variation of stupidity? Is that all you've got?

We didn't pray enough?

We aren't smart enough to grasp the doctrine?

We're evolutionarily closer to chimps than TBMs, because we can't swallow the claims of the Book of Mormon?

We don't know the real facts, even though they're in plain sight, on the internet, and in the LDS canon?

The list goes on...

Every time I see a TBM (or Juliann, we don't know what the hell she is) claim mental superiority over one of their opponents, I cringe. Don't you people see the asses that you're making of yourselves?

Your post is purely ad hominem (and very nasty by the way) against a group of people with something in common...yet you supply no warrants to back up your claim. I doubt very much that Mormons resort to only one argument "all exmormons are stupid". by the way, isn't that what you are saying about Mormons?

[_Sam Harris]

Ok, let's add spiritually inferior to that list.

Put a sock in it Marg. Seriously. Either listen to the stories here and try to learn from them in order to make your church a better place for those who just cannot toe the line or fall in line, or go back to where it's always rosy and faith promoting.

Did you even bother to read my other posts on this thread? Of course not.

Why is it that TBMs can say whatever the hell they want to about those who aren't LDS for whatever reason and get away with it, but me simply making an observation about the various ways a TBM can defecate on another person's character is "nasty".

I'm so glad I got out when I did...

[_Coggins7]

Did you even bother to read my other posts on this thread? Of course not.

Loran:

OK, now I understand why GIMR's posts are as they are and she takes the surly, mean spirited, sanctimonious, and anti-intellectual attitude she takes in them.

GIMR is LSD in blackface.

[_Gazelam]

I personally don't think ex/anti/ whatevers are stupid.

Theres just something blocking the spirit from testifying to them. Different for each I'm sure.