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Last week I decided that since my efforts to provide cognitive interventions have yeilded little descernable results here (at least of a positive kind), that I would devote the time I would have spent here and instead get out of cyber space and do random acts of kindness and spread some Christmas cheer in the real world. My goal was to make positive, healthy, and uplifting choices more prevelent in my life, and to better pratice what I have been preaching. As a result, I have been able to mend some rifts in certain relationships and to cultivate new ones. My spirits have soared to new heights and my physical health has shown a marked improvement. Most importantly, I have been better able to satisfy the critical human need to love and be loved and to value and be valued. Life has been great.

Did I miss not being here? Of course!

...though I was pleased to be liberated for a time from the counterproductive mental tug-o-wars, prevailing negativity, and too oft hurtful exchanges.

I do care about you good poeple and value our association.

I hope that last week was as enriching for you as it was for me, and if not, that you will be blessed in that edifying way in the coming week.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

wenglund wrote:Last week I decided that since my efforts to provide cognitive interventions have yeilded little descernable results here (at least of a positive kind), that I would devote the time I would have spent here and instead get out of cyber space and do random acts of kindness and spread some Christmas cheer in the real world. My goal was to make positive, healthy, and uplifting choices more prevelent in my life, and to better pratice what I have been preaching. As a result, I have been able to mend some rifts in certain relationships and to cultivate new ones. My spirits have soared to new heights and my physical health has shown a marked improvement. Most importantly, I have been better able to satisfy the critical human need to love and be loved and to value and be valued. Life has been great.

Did I miss not being here? Of course!

...though I was pleased to be liberated for a time from the counterproductive mental tug-o-wars, prevailing negativity, and too oft hurtful exchanges.

I do care about you good poeple and value our association.

I hope that last week was as enriching for you as it was for me, and if not, that you will be blessed in that edifying way in the coming week.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I'm glad you had a good week. I can't think of a better way to spend your week. We missed you. At least I did.

We all had a great week here as well....without your uplifting nonsensical crap....

I think you should take a few more vacations from us....like forever

You were OUT OF MY MISERY for week...

Random acts of kindness can have a positive effect both on you and the people you have helped. Congratulations on being of service to others. There was a thread here about missing you. You definitely add another voice to this board.

Hi Wade,

Glad you had a great week and are feeling healthy and well!

~dancer~

Last week I decided that since my efforts to provide cognitive interventions have yeilded little descernable results here (at least of a positive kind), that I would devote the time I would have spent here and instead get out of cyber space and do random acts of kindness and spread some Christmas cheer in the real world. My goal was to make positive, healthy, and uplifting choices more prevelent in my life, and to better pratice what I have been preaching. As a result, I have been able to mend some rifts in certain relationships and to cultivate new ones. My spirits have soared to new heights and my physical health has shown a marked improvement. Most importantly, I have been better able to satisfy the critical human need to love and be loved and to value and be valued. Life has been great.

Did I miss not being here? Of course!

...though I was pleased to be liberated for a time from the counterproductive mental tug-o-wars, prevailing negativity, and too oft hurtful exchanges.

I do care about you good poeple and value our association.

I hope that last week was as enriching for you as it was for me, and if not, that you will be blessed in that edifying way in the coming week.

Loran:

Wade, good to have you back. I'd like to get together with you (here and/or privately) to discuss mutual ideas on psychology and psychotheraputic modalities in general and as various theories may relate to the socio/cultural phenomena of active anti-Mormonism (and in particular, the ex-Mormon variety). As a recovering alcoholic myself, I've become quite interested in the CBT modality (and the Bio/Psycho/Social model of addiction sans the, as far as I am concerned, the intellectualy defunct disease model) and noticed that you have come to similar interests yourself, as you stated on another thread (and that may have been a ZLMB, I don't recall at the moment).

I'd like to start a serious thread, or correspond with you (or both) on this subject.

Good to have you back. I wonder if we could bet some other serious LDS apologists here to share some of the burden. They all left ZLMB long ago I know, but perhaps this forum, with its different "kingdoms", might be more to their liking (or have most of these people just given up on forums like this in principle? Daniel Peteron, and several other FARMS scholars used to show up at ZLMB, in years past, rather frequently, but have long deserted the field of battle on the Web, it seems).

OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:We all had a great week here as well....without your uplifting nonsensical crap....

I think you should take a few more vacations from us....like forever

You were OUT OF MY MISERY for week...

I really do wish you wouldn't give me so much credit and control over your disposition--to the point that my very presense on this board may cause you misery and prevent you from having a great week. It is not the kind of control I can exercise in a way that I would like, even were I to want to exercise it (which I don't). So, please, take back that control, and CHOOSE to have a great week whether I am here or not.

To the others who posted on this thread (as well as the "What happen to Wade" thread), I very much appreciate your kind words.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wade, good to have you back. I'd like to get together with you (here and/or privately) to discuss mutual ideas on psychology and psychotheraputic modalities in general and as various theories may relate to the socio/cultural phenomena of active anti-Mormonism (and in particular, the ex-Mormon variety). As a recovering alcoholic myself, I've become quite interested in the CBT modality (and the Bio/Psycho/Social model of addiction sans the, as far as I am concerned, the intellectualy defunct disease model) and noticed that you have come to similar interests yourself, as you stated on another thread (and that may have been a ZLMB, I don't recall at the moment).

I'd like to start a serious thread, or correspond with you (or both) on this subject.

Good to have you back. I wonder if we could bet some other serious LDS apologists here to share some of the burden. They all left ZLMB long ago I know, but perhaps this forum, with its different "kingdoms", might be more to their liking (or have most of these people just given up on forums like this in principle? Daniel Peteron, and several other FARMS scholars used to show up at ZLMB, in years past, rather frequently, but have long deserted the field of battle on the Web, it seems).

Hi Loran:

I am all for starting a thread on CBT--though, given the lack of success of my most recent efforts here, I think it advised that rather than looking at it in terms of how it may benefit those who have or are stuggling because of their disbelief in the restored gospel of Christ, talk instead about how it may benefit you and I and other faithful members in our possible struggles because of the attitudes and behaviors of some who disbelieve.

According to Dr. Judith Beck, Director of the Beck Institute for CBT, the second principle of CBT is: "Cognitive therapy requires a spound therapeutic alliance". The third principle is: "Cognitive therapy emphasises collaboration and active participation". (from her text book: "Cognitive Therapy:Basics and Beyond") That kind of sound and trusting alliance, collaboration, and active participation, was virtually missing in my most recent effort here, but that doesn't mean you and I can't have that between ourselves and others who may pro-actively CHOOSE to improve OUR OWN mental/emotional dispositions.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Sounds interesting.

The next step will of course be, the creation of a new 12 Step program of recovery from discussion and debate with those who are recovering from Mormonism.

We could call it "Adult Survivors of The Children of Adult Servivors of Recovering Survivors of Recovery From Mormonism".

Step 1: We admitted we were powerless...


Loran

wenglund wrote:
Hi Loran:

I am all for starting a thread on CBT--though, given the lack of success of my most recent efforts here, I think it advised that rather than looking at it in terms of how it may benefit those who have or are stuggling because of their disbelief in the restored gospel of Christ, talk instead about how it may benefit you and I and other faithful members in our possible struggles because of the attitudes and behaviors of some who disbelieve.

According to Dr. Judith Beck, Director of the Beck Institute for CBT, the second principle of CBT is: "Cognitive therapy requires a spound therapeutic alliance". The third principle is: "Cognitive therapy emphasises collaboration and active participation". (from her text book: "Cognitive Therapy:Basics and Beyond") That kind of sound and trusting alliance, collaboration, and active participation, was virtually missing in my most recent effort here, but that doesn't mean you and I can't have that between ourselves and others who may pro-actively CHOOSE to improve OUR OWN mental/emotional dispositions.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I think you've hit the nail on the head, Wade. I never could "collaborate" because there was no trust whatsoever. You know, I think part of the problem was that it's hard to resolve anger issues when the person ostensibly helping is allied with the people perceived as the source of anger in the first place. Yeah, maybe it's a character flaw, but I couldn't get past that.