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They are at it again after several (more than 3) very public demands by Jewish organizations to stop the necrobaptizing of Jews.

This underscores the LDS penchant to ignore others and just do what they damn well please.

It is unacceptable for this to happen and is degrading to those affected, both for the dead and the family of these individuals.

This is very wrong, especially if the family has specifically request that this not be done.

I am curious, though, as to why it is such a big deal one way or the other? Where are these indexes being published, and who is reading them?

If someone baptized a member of my family after death as a Baptist, Jew or Catholic, etc. I would find it odd, but it wouldn't really matter to me one way or the other because I believe what I believe, and my family member believed what he/she believed.

Also, the Church is not doing this out of maliciousness. They honestly feel that they are giving these people an opportunity to accept the gospel in the next life by performing these ordinances. It is being done as a gift.

What I have problems with is temple workers purposely looking for more well-known or famous philanthropists to baptize for the dead rather than concentrating on their own family geneology. I think that this practice is sensationalism and is wrong.

liz3564 wrote:What I have problems with is temple workers purposely looking for more well-known or famous philanthropists to baptize for the dead rather than concentrating on their own family geneology. I think that this practice is sensationalism and is wrong.

I think that's the same reason they do the holocaust victims. And yes, it is sensationalistic and wrong.

liz3564 wrote:If someone baptized a member of my family after death as a Baptist, Jew or Catholic, etc. I would find it odd, but it wouldn't really matter to me one way or the other because I believe what I believe, and my family member believed what he/she believed.

But it does bother others (like the Jews), so I can understand why they are upset. In today's computer age, one would think there'd be a way to avoid this problem.

Also, the Church is not doing this out of maliciousness. They honestly feel that they are giving these people an opportunity to accept the gospel in the next life by performing these ordinances. It is being done as a gift.

Perhaps not with any malice, but it appears to be done with utter disregard for the wishes of relatives of the deceased persons. That's the rub.

VegasRefugee wrote:http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=6105

They are at it again after several (more than 3) very public demands by Jewish organizations to stop the necrobaptizing of Jews.

This underscores the LDS penchant to ignore others and just do what they damn well please.

It is unacceptable for this to happen and is degrading to those affected, both for the dead and the family of these individuals.

Not that you might care, but the title to this thread and the second paragraph of your OP are classic examples of negative stereotyping and prejudice.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Liz,

You might view one of your loved ones being baptized into another religion as insignificant and unimportant but would you feel similarly if Satanic worshippers were trying to find your ancestors infomration regarding your family records and relationships to perform rituals in their behalf?

Maybe not, but my point is others may not find the LDS church as a nice, wholesome organization just trying to help.

Ya know?

~dancer~

To clarify I'm not suggesting the LDS church is full of Satanic worshippers... I'm suggesting that may be the view of some people.

truth dancer wrote:Liz,

You might view one of your loved ones being baptized into another religion as insignificant and unimportant but would you feel similarly if Satanic worshippers were trying to find your ancestors infomration regarding your family records and relationships to perform rituals in their behalf?

Maybe not, but my point is others may not find the LDS church as a nice, wholesome organization just trying to help.

Ya know?

~dancer~

To clarify I'm not suggesting the LDS church is full of Satanic worshippers... I'm suggesting that may be the view of some people.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that the LDS Church should follow the wishes of the families. They are definitely crossing a line in not abiding by those wishes. I'm just wondering where these indexes are being published, and how prevalent they are to public scrutiny. Frankly, I don't know that I would even be aware if a dead member of my family was baptised into some Satanic cult, etc. unless it was pretty publicly blitzed on the Internet somewhere.

liz3564 wrote:

truth dancer wrote:Liz,

You might view one of your loved ones being baptized into another religion as insignificant and unimportant but would you feel similarly if Satanic worshippers were trying to find your ancestors infomration regarding your family records and relationships to perform rituals in their behalf?

Maybe not, but my point is others may not find the LDS church as a nice, wholesome organization just trying to help.

Ya know?

~dancer~

To clarify I'm not suggesting the LDS church is full of Satanic worshippers... I'm suggesting that may be the view of some people.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that the LDS Church should follow the wishes of the families. They are definitely crossing a line in not abiding by those wishes. I'm just wondering where these indexes are being published, and how prevalent they are to public scrutiny. Frankly, I don't know that I would even be aware if a dead member of my family was baptised into some Satanic cult, etc. unless it was pretty publicly blitzed on the Internet somewhere.

Heres a link to the public blitz:

http://www.familysearch.com

liz3564 wrote:

truth dancer wrote:Liz,

You might view one of your loved ones being baptized into another religion as insignificant and unimportant but would you feel similarly if Satanic worshippers were trying to find your ancestors infomration regarding your family records and relationships to perform rituals in their behalf?

Maybe not, but my point is others may not find the LDS church as a nice, wholesome organization just trying to help.

Ya know?

~dancer~

To clarify I'm not suggesting the LDS church is full of Satanic worshippers... I'm suggesting that may be the view of some people.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that the LDS Church should follow the wishes of the families. They are definitely crossing a line in not abiding by those wishes. I'm just wondering where these indexes are being published, and how prevalent they are to public scrutiny.

If I recall correctly, there is a Jewish researcher (Helen Radkey, perhaps?) who goes through the indexes, checking to see if Jews have been baptized. My feeling is that there is an element of sneakiness to the Church's execution of these baptisms. Church officials are well aware of the fact that work for the dead is controversial, and in my opinion they ought to get permission beforehand.

If I recall correctly, there is a Jewish researcher (Helen Radkey, perhaps?) who goes through the indexes, checking to see if Jews have been baptized. My feeling is that there is an element of sneakiness to the Church's execution of these baptisms. Church officials are well aware of the fact that work for the dead is controversial, and in my opinion they ought to get permission beforehand.

I agree.