RFM Interviews Kerry Shirts!!!

[consiglieri]

Not to get all psychoanalytical or anything, but I found very interesting how one of the most indefatigable apologists for the church felt compelled to do so out of a sense of guilt placed on him by the very institution he almost killed himself to defend.

It was all smiles whenever we saw Kerry as apologist.

I would never have dreamed he was expiation guilt the church placed on him for a failed marriage the church pushed him into.

Similar to blood atonement, perhaps.


Not to suggest that Kerry found no joy in his avocation, which he obviously did.

But all the while this dark side kept neatly out of sight.

I really appreciated your being so open, Kerry, and giving us a glimpse into what makes you tick.

[DrStakhanovite]

I listened the entire podcast last night, which is a bit of an accomplishment because I usually can't listen to podcasts unless they can really hold my attention. I remember Barksdale from the AOL 3.0 chatrooms and message boards, never knew about those misappropriated funds.

[Philo Sofee]

Hey, if nothing else, we are at least raising a HUGE ruckus in the comments section with an apologist who is brazenly misusing Ritner and claiming Joseph Smith was right and the Egyptologists have been debunked! And he is using RFM's/Dehlin's Mormon Stories interview of Ritner to make his case!!!
What fun!

[malkie]

Imagine if RFM could get Kerry Shirts, The Backyard Professor, and Philo Sofee all on the one podcast!

To top it off, they could have consiglieri run the show!!

[Rivendale]

Hey, if nothing else, we are at least raising a HUGE ruckus in the comments section with an apologist who is brazenly misusing Ritner and claiming Joseph Smith was right and the Egyptologists have been debunked! And he is using RFM's/Dehlin's Mormon Stories interview of Ritner to make his case!!!
What fun!

Really curious about why Kerry moved a step back from atheism.

[Philo Sofee]

Hey, if nothing else, we are at least raising a HUGE ruckus in the comments section with an apologist who is brazenly misusing Ritner and claiming Joseph Smith was right and the Egyptologists have been debunked! And he is using RFM's/Dehlin's Mormon Stories interview of Ritner to make his case!!!
What fun!

Really curious about why Kerry moved a step back from atheism.

Just still exploring... sure atheists have refuted gods that have been invented so far. But it does not follow any of those inventions are all there is. The vast majority are simply anthropomorphic extensions of humans. That's a mighty narrow class of gods I would say.

[Rivendale]

Really curious about why Kerry moved a step back from atheism.

Just still exploring... sure atheists have refuted gods that have been invented so far. But it does not follow any of those inventions are all there is. The vast majority are simply anthropomorphic extensions of humans. That's a mighty narrow class of gods I would say.

Do you think the label is a deterrent?

[Jersey Girl]

The vast majority are simply anthropomorphic extensions of humans.

It makes all the sense in the world to me though I think you might have it reversed. But we won't know until we know or until we aren't able to know anything ever again.

[Gadianton]

I told myself that I was just going to listen to a half hour for now and I ended up listening to the whole thing. I'd say RFM definitely needs to have Kerry back one day. There are many loose ends, but here are two I'd really like answers to:

- The peer review process. It was said that much more is known about this than what had been said, but we were left with a teaser of Dan and John yuking it up over socking it to a critic.

- Hugh Nibley wrote an actual essay on evolution? Are you kidding me? I've always felt I had Nibley pinned down on some of these topics by nuggets he leaves along the way, and I concluded that he didn't really want to take some of these naturalistic topics head on -- evolution, source criticism. If he wrote an actual paper to refute evolution (or evaluate it at any length) then that overturns what I've always believed about the guy.

Rivendale:

If you go to the last ~15 minutes of the interview, Kerry explains why he's not an atheist anymore.

1) he's found atheist writers while powerful to be dogmatic
2) he's open to conceptions of God outside of the standard Christian party line; the books he's read are heavily geared toward Christianity.

[Rivendale]

I told myself that I was just going to listen to a half hour for now and I ended up listening to the whole thing. I'd say RFM definitely needs to have Kerry back one day. There are many loose ends, but here are two I'd really like answers to:

- The peer review process. It was said that much more is known about this than what had been said, but we were left with a teaser of Dan and John yuking it up over socking it to a critic.

- Hugh Nibley wrote an actual essay on evolution? Are you kidding me? I've always felt I had Nibley pinned down on some of these topics by nuggets he leaves along the way, and I concluded that he didn't really want to take some of these naturalistic topics head on -- evolution, source criticism. If he wrote an actual paper to refute evolution (or evaluate it at any length) then that overturns what I've always believed about the guy.

Rivendale:

If you go to the last ~15 minutes of the interview, Kerry explains why he's not an atheist anymore.

1) he's found atheist writers while powerful to be dogmatic
2) he's open to conceptions of God outside of the standard Christian party line; the books he's read are heavily geared toward Christianity.

I would like to know how they are dogmatic. There is no dogma in atheism. It is a rejection of the claims. How can that be dogmatic?