Are you're saying that a Mormon missionary accused of molesting a kid isn't Discussion worthy on a site called Mormon Discussions?
No, but the entire point of the thread was, clearly to blame the church (to the point of contemplateing a lawsuit against it) for the behavior of this individual. This is the kind of thing that ultimately, taken to its logical conclusion, got six million Jews gassed in the early part of this century.
See Scratch's entry for the inevitable development of this thread...
Well I am pretty sure that it was last century, and I fail to see how an individual suing a religious entity logically leads to the "gassing of 6 million Jews".
You're right, we we're both off by a century in our posts--I don't know if for the same reason--but we we're both guilty.
As to the Jews, come on now. Its not the lawsuit that's the point, but the hysterical, anti-intellectual bigotry behind it, and the willingess to scrap the constitution in the name of a witch hunt against mythical ideological enemies with whome one disagrees on a personal level.
The idea that the life a missionary leads in the field has anything to do with what this individual did is so pathetic that Scratch or anyone else to harbors it for even a fraction of a second should be ashamed to call himself a grown up, thinking adult with an independent mind. The idea that the leadership of the church can somehow be held responsible for the behavior of this one individual, or that the rules and lifestyle a missionary must follow in the field can produce such behavior, ranks right alongside the idea that the Jews run all the world's banks and control the media, or that the CIA, Richard Nixon, and the American Military assassinated JFK to bring the U.S. into the Vietnam war. Intellectually stable, mature adults don't dabble with such thought processes. We grew out of the JFK assassination theories, UFOlogy, and the belief that Cubans are happy slaves when we became adults and began to seriously read serious books and think for ourselves.
Coggins7 wrote:You're right, we we're both off by a century in our posts--I don't know if for the same reason--but we we're both guilty.
As to the Jews, come on now. Its not the lawsuit that's the point, but the hysterical, anti-intellectual bigotry behind it, and the willingess to scrap the constitution in the name of a witch hunt against mythical ideological enemies with whome one disagrees on a personal level.
The idea that the life a missionary leads in the field has anything to do with what this individual did is so pathetic that Scratch or anyone else to harbors it for even a fraction of a second should be ashamed to call himself a grown up, thinking adult with an independent mind. The idea that the leadership of the church can somehow be held responsible for the behavior of this one individual, or that the rules and lifestyle a missionary must follow in the field can produce such behavior, ranks right alongside the idea that the Jews run all the world's banks and control the media, or that the CIA, Richard Nixon, and the American Military assassinated JFK to bring the U.S. into the Vietnam war. Intellectually stable, mature adults don't dabble with such thought processes. We grew out of the JFK assassination theories, UFOlogy, and the belief that Cubans are happy slaves when we became adults and began to seriously read serious books and think for ourselves.
Your red herring about CIA/UFO conspiracies aside, there's a simple legal principle at play here: an organization's liability for the actions of its representatives. If a UPS driver causes a fatal accident, UPS is liable for the damages. Yes, it's up to a judge and jury to decide the degree of liability, but it's not such a cut and dried issue. My younger brothers were killed in a car accident. They were hit by a lumber truck head on. The lumber company, recognizing its legal exposure, immediately began hiding its assets. But in the end, the lumber company was liable for the 3 deaths and 2 badly injured passengers. Why would you think that a missionary's actions expose the church to any less liability than the truck driver exposed his employers?
Are you're saying that a Mormon missionary accused of molesting a kid isn't Discussion worthy on a site called Mormon Discussions?
No, but the entire point of the thread was, clearly to blame the church (to the point of contemplateing a lawsuit against it) for the behavior of this individual. This is the kind of thing that ultimately, taken to its logical conclusion, got six million Jews gassed in the early part of this century.
See Scratch's entry for the inevitable development of this thread...
What the F*** is wrong with you? Comparing the holocaust to my threads? You have no God damned F****** right to do that.
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Sorry, I didn't read the other thread. As for blaming the entire church for one missionary's behavior... yes... I agree that is not necessarily right. However, one does wonder how the missionary snuck through the interviews and was deemed worthy to be a missionary- didn't the person interviewing him have the power of discernment?
Coggins7 wrote:No, but the entire point of the thread was, clearly to blame the church (to the point of contemplateing a lawsuit against it) for the behavior of this individual. This is the kind of thing that ultimately, taken to its logical conclusion, got six million Jews gassed in the early part of this century.
Could you make any kind of attempt to explain this reasoning? I'm being very reasonable. I'm not even asking you to justify it, just explain it coherently. At present it is decidedly incoherent.
twinkie wrote:Sorry, I didn't read the other thread. As for blaming the entire church for one missionary's behavior... yes... I agree that is not necessarily right. However, one does wonder how the missionary snuck through the interviews and was deemed worthy to be a missionary- didn't the person interviewing him have the power of discernment?
In total Three people do not have this supposed gift. Not only that but the mission presidents spiritual radar must have been out of order. His companions especially.
Maybe they need to radio back to Kolob for a tune up.
Are you're saying that a Mormon missionary accused of molesting a kid isn't Discussion worthy on a site called Mormon Discussions?
No, but the entire point of the thread was, clearly to blame the church (to the point of contemplateing a lawsuit against it) for the behavior of this individual. This is the kind of thing that ultimately, taken to its logical conclusion, got six million Jews gassed in the early part of this century.
See Scratch's entry for the inevitable development of this thread...
Let me ask you something, Loran. If you think it unfair/absurd/unwise for people to attempt to blame the church for the behavior of the individual in question how come *I* am on that thread attempting to punch holes in the thing...
and you're not?
Isn't it you that keeps complaining about the lack of serious dialogue on this board?
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