The SCMC: A Painful Church Secret?

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The SCMC: A Painful Church Secret?

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It seems that the recent PBS doc, along with the accompanying interviews (especially the one with D. Michael Quinn), has helped to refuel interest and speculation on the Orwellian-sounding Strengthening Church Members Committee---the so-called "internal espionage" service that assembles dossiers on LDS dissidents, intellectuals, and scholars. According to Quinn's The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, a dossier can even include something so seemingly minor as an anti-war statement made by a member when he was an undergraduate in college. The SCMC is believed to be in league with Church Security. It is headed by two members of the Quorum of the Twelve.

Anyways, it seems once again that the SCMC is disquieting to people. In a recent thread on the aptly named MAD board, the hoary old specter of the SCMC has been raised once again:

John D the first wrote:Does the church have a tighter leash on scholarship? It seems like the church is actually more open to honest scholarship then it was at the time of Quinn's excommunication.

Also, what is the "strengthening of the members committee"? I've never heard of it from any pro-Mormon source. I also saw on one Anti-Mormon site that Daniel Peterson is part of it. IF this is true, maybe he can fill us in.


The responses, as one might expect, are of the "damage control" variety. Here's Calmoriah:

Do a search on the committee and you will find what Dan's experience amounted to--being asked by a member of the committee to go and speak to an individual with questions along with someone else (I think someone who knew the member).

He never claimed to be a member of the committee but that hasn't stopped some from insisting that he is.


Correction: he claimed to be an "agent" (his own words) for the committee, and admitted that he and his "friend" interrogated some man for nearly four hours in a confined space. Calmoriah makes it sound completely toothless and benign, though I doubt very much that it felt that way for the man being interrogated.

Here is our very own beloved Wade Englund, who is apparently very worried that people might misconstrue what the SCMC is all about:

wenglund wrote:From what I have gathered over the years, the function of the Correlation Committee is similar to that of the division of the State Education Department that sets the Core Curriculum. The intent for both entities is to ensure that the respective sets of students receive the very best education possible.

As for the Strengthen the Membership Committee, it's role is not unlike, in some ways, guidance counselors at school. Their function is pretty much described in their respective titles.

And, with all due respect to Michael Quinn, I think he may be inadvertantly projecting his very exclusive 1970's experience and perception of these committees onto today's general membership of the Church--who, most likely, haven't even a clue of the existence of these committees, let alone felt any adverse impact therefrom, though presumably they have reaped the benefits of a higher quality of spiritual education.


????? I find it curious that so many of the TBMs on the thread equate "a higher quality spiritual education" with the ferreting out of dissidents and contrary opinions.

Anyways, as was to be expected, DCP later swoops in to respond:

Daniel Peterson wrote:-A-

I actually work at BYU, so perhaps my experience should carry some weight: Nobody has ever -- not once -- told me what books to assign in a class or critiqued my course syllabi. Nobody has ever -- not a single time -- monitored my research or told me which articles to write, which books to work on, or what papers to deliver at which academic conferences.

-B-

The "Strengthening Church Members" committee, so far as I can tell, is little more than a small clipping service. Comparisons of it to a detective agency (let alone to the FBI or even the CIA or the Gestapo) are pure fantasy, with no basis in any reality that I'm aware of. And, no, I am not a "member" or "agent" of the committee. (Of course, I wouldn't admit it if I were, right? Time to put on our tin-foil helmets! And beware of those black helicopters hovering overhead!)


In response to -A-, well, obviously no one amongst the hierarchy is going to care, unless DCP starts doing things which reflect embarrassingly on the Church. As to -B-, I wonder why he consistently responds to questions about the SCMC with these silly, "tin foil hat" replies? His claim not to be an "agent" of the committee is in direct contrast to one of his earlier posts. I would be interested in seeing him explain why he has gone back on what he said earlier.

Most provocatively, a poster called "1/2shell" posited a series of questions to the Good Professor:

Daniel,

I am curious. Do you ever find yourself biting your tongue or refraining from saying something in a public forum (such as message boards) that might be in conflict with your position(s) at BYU?

Do you ever have to pull back in order to respect the fact that BYU is owned by the LDS church?

Does someone such as yourself who is visible both at BYU but publicly as well have to create a guideline for themselves in order to self monitor public comment?

Would you feel comfortable discussing your public record in a private (classroom or otherwise) setting?

Do you ever feel a disconnect between your private beliefs and your employer's expectations?

You will be the one feeling a disconnect if you ask personal none of your business questions. ~ Mods
(red mod text ibid.)

Not surprisingly, DCP has not responded to any of these questions.

Sadly, the SCMC business has not yet been taken up by any of the posters, in favor of a discussion regarding academic conformity (which, in all fairness, was in the title of the thread). Quite a good post by a person called "Monkeyspawwish":

I am at UVSC in the Philosophy department, and I'm surprised at how many of our instructors and professors here were priorly employed at BYU. They were either fired, quit, or were "not re-hired" for various reasons--like Jeff Nielsen, the adjunct professor who was not re-hired because of his opinion article in the SL Tribune on the FMA. I think that a good academic institution (where people go to learn how to learn, not just learn how to believe) requires openness to questioning--questioning of the world around us, as well as the questioning of our own beliefs. This is sometimes not what BYU promotes. It is not BYU's will for students to leave the institution thinking that the LDS church may not be all there is. I just think it's not a good idea to mix religious beliefs at the same place and time as scientific exploration and ideological scrutiny (learning how to learn, not just believe.) In this way, I think people do not realize how BYU's education isn't as good as it's cracked up to be.


It will be interesting to see if the thread evolves. I will keep my eyes peeled.
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Just musing for a little, but I wonder how our Mormon friends at MA&D would react if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses or Unification Church that had a Strengthening the Church Membership Committee?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Just musing for a little, but I wonder how our Mormon friends at MA&D would react if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses or Unification Church that had a Strengthening the Church Membership Committee?


The fact of the SCMC's existence, coupled with the Holland quote that was recently posted by Sethbag, paints a very troubling picture of the Church. In this depiction, the Church is stalker-ish, and keeps tabs not only on its members, but on potential converts and ex-Mormons, too. It seems more apt than ever to refer to this facet of the Church as "Orwellian": THE BRETHREN ARE WATCHING YOU. It really is an institutional appropriation of the big "scroll of sins" discussed by Vaughn J. Featherstone in his appalling talk, "A Self-Inflicted Purging."
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I don't understand the concern. Where is the evidence that the Committee has done anything to harm anyone? They collect possibly suspicious material from some members....so what? Antis have been feverishly collecting material to discredit the Church for years. Scratch, your blog contains several posts collecting the writings of DCP to discredit him.

Everything the Committee collects is public record. They're not tapping phones or bugging peoples houses (which would make it Orwellian).
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The Nehor wrote:I don't understand the concern. Where is the evidence that the Committee has done anything to harm anyone? They collect possibly suspicious material from some members....so what? Antis have been feverishly collecting material to discredit the Church for years. Scratch, your blog contains several posts collecting the writings of DCP to discredit him.

Everything the Committee collects is public record. They're not tapping phones or bugging peoples houses (which would make it Orwellian).



MMM, my dislike of the douche Steve Benson not withstanding, he and others have mentioned that they believe their phones were tapped.

I remember certain threads mentioning this while I posted on RFM.
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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I don't understand the concern. Where is the evidence that the Committee has done anything to harm anyone? They collect possibly suspicious material from some members....so what? Antis have been feverishly collecting material to discredit the Church for years. Scratch, your blog contains several posts collecting the writings of DCP to discredit him.

Everything the Committee collects is public record. They're not tapping phones or bugging peoples houses (which would make it Orwellian).



MMM, my dislike of the douche Steve Benson not withstanding, he and others have mentioned that they believe their phones were tapped.

I remember certain threads mentioning this while I posted on RFM.


So paranoid delusionals believe their phones are tapped. Any proof?
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The Nehor wrote:Everything the Committee collects is public record. They're not tapping phones or bugging peoples houses (which would make it Orwellian).


Maybe not anymore, . . .
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Dr. Shades wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Everything the Committee collects is public record. They're not tapping phones or bugging peoples houses (which would make it Orwellian).


Maybe not anymore, . . .


Suitably sinister with no substance.
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The Nehor wrote:Suitably sinister with no substance.


The Tanners had their phones tapped at one point. They started wondering when they began hearing wierd clicking noises when they'd use the phone. Once they picked up the receiver and heard a voice say, "they're trying to dial out." Another time they were in the middle of a conversation and heard someone munching on something in the background. They tried to get the local FBI to follow up, but got the run-around. Ex-FBI folks are routinely recruited into Church Security; was there a connection?

When the Mormon Alliance was in the process of being formed, a white unmarked van kept driving back and forth in front of the designated meeting house--which they'd decided on over the phone, of course. Once the assemblees took notice, they all looked outside the next time it passed; the driver saw them looking and quickly sped off.

Not long after the Bensons began hearing funny noises over their phone, their neighbors told them about some "repairman" who kept showing up when they were away. Once they pulled in and the guy was still there, messing with the external phone wires. They asked what he was doing, and he said he'd been dispatched from the phone company to fix something or other, then beat a hasty retreat. They called the company to see if anyone had, indeed, been called out to their property, and the phone company said that no one had been.

Overactive imaginations, or accurate observations? You decide.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Suitably sinister with no substance.


The Tanners had their phones tapped at one point. They started wondering when they began hearing wierd clicking noises when they'd use the phone. Once they picked up the receiver and heard a voice say, "they're trying to dial out." Another time they were in the middle of a conversation and heard someone munching on something in the background. They tried to get the local FBI to follow up, but got the run-around. Ex-FBI folks are routinely recruited into Church Security; was there a connection?

When the Mormon Alliance was in the process of being formed, a white unmarked van kept driving back and forth in front of the designated meeting house--which they'd decided on over the phone, of course. Once the assemblees took notice, they all looked outside the next time it passed; the driver saw them looking and quickly sped off.

Not long after the Bensons began hearing funny noises over their phone, their neighbors told them about some "repairman" who kept showing up when they were away. Once they pulled in and the guy was still there, messing with the external phone wires. They asked what he was doing, and he said he'd been dispatched from the phone company to fix something or other, then beat a hasty retreat. They called the company to see if anyone had, indeed, been called out to their property, and the phone company said that no one had been.

Overactive imaginations, or accurate observations? You decide.


I'm going to go with overactive imaginations.

"They're trying to dial out" I assumed the Tanners knew how to operate a phone?

I find it hard to believe the FBI would blow that kind of thing off.
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