Reason, Reason, Reason.

[Rad]

To which I say, Faith, Faith, and more Faith. Unless a man have faith, he is nothing. I've noticed a number of posts recently where critics of the Lord's work unleash their anger at the annointed. They demand reason. They demand evidence. They bellow and they argue. They rant and the rave. They gnash their teeth at those who consecrate themselves to the Kingdom.

Brothers and sisters, be ye not dismayed. Be ye not deceived. Do not let doubting thoughts erode the foundation of your faith. Do not succumb to the false teachings of science.

The computer and the Internet, for instance, are examples of how faith blesses our lives. There was no "science" and "skeptical review" or "burdens of proof" being met with the invention of these tools. Emperical evidence had nothing to do with them. Man knows about computing technology because God revealed it. God gave us the computer and the Internet in order to speed up the work of genealogy.

I was not with Joseph in the Sacred Grove, but I believe him. As should all of you.

I say these things in Christ's name, Amen.

[_Some Schmo]

To which I say, Faith, Faith, and more Faith. Unless a man have faith, he is nothing. I've noticed a number of posts recently where critics of the Lord's work unleash their anger at the annointed. They demand reason. They demand evidence. They bellow and they argue. They rant and the rave. They gnash their teeth at those who consecrate themselves to the Kingdom.

Brothers and sisters, be ye not dismayed. Be ye not deceived. Do not let doubting thoughts erode the foundation of your faith. Do not succumb to the false teachings of science.

The computer and the Internet, for instance, are examples of how faith blesses our lives. There was no "science" and "skeptical review" or "burdens of proof" being met with the invention of these tools. Emperical evidence had nothing to do with them. Man knows about computing technology because God revealed it. God gave us the computer and the Internet in order to speed up the work of geneology.

I was not with Joseph in the Sacred Grove, but I believe him. As should all of you.

I say these things in Christ's name, Amen.

Oh! Now I get it! It's righteous to be a dumbass! I understand!

Meh... I'll stick to reason.

[_Coggins7]

Oh! Now I get it! It's righteous to be a dumbass! I understand!

Meh... I'll stick to reason.

I've seen no evidence as of yet that you understand that concept schmo, or that you could apply it in a serious intellectual sense if you did.

[_Mercury]

Oh! Now I get it! It's righteous to be a dumbass! I understand!

Meh... I'll stick to reason.

I've seen no evidence as of yet that you understand that concept schmo, or that you could apply it in a serious intellectual sense if you did.

I still don't think you get the fact that we don't really care to listen to your masturbatory efforts at explaining why circular reasoning is to be applauded.

[_Yong Xi]

The computer and the Internet, for instance, are examples of how faith blesses our lives. There was no "science" and "skeptical review" or "burdens of proof" being met with the invention of these tools. Emperical evidence had nothing to do with them. Man knows about computing technology because God revealed it. God gave us the computer and the Internet in order to speed up the work of geneology.

Well then, God screwed up because in Utah more people are looking at porn that doing geneology.

In Utah County, however, they use a split computer screen. Half geneology, half porn.

[_Some Schmo]

Oh! Now I get it! It's righteous to be a dumbass! I understand!

Meh... I'll stick to reason.

I've seen no evidence as of yet that you understand that concept schmo, or that you could apply it in a serious intellectual sense if you did.

Big deal. A boulder could fall on your head and you'd still be asking for evidence of gravity.

I'll take this comment with a grain of salt considering your lack of understanding of the word "evidence." After all, you likely believe in the Book of Mormon.

[_The Nehor]

Big deal. A boulder could fall on your head and you'd still be asking for evidence of gravity.

I'll take this comment with a grain of salt considering your lack of understanding of the word "evidence." After all, you likely believe in the Book of Mormon.

Funny you should mention that: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

Does gravity work? Dun, Dun, Dun.....

[_Blixa]

Brother Tommy,

As usual, your remarks are keen and, well, really keen. I would be interested to know if you think Mormonism is a kind of open source religion? Everybody adds a little bit here and there, FPRs are like cool add-ons, today's prophet is tomorrow's bad code, etc. Of course this model does imply diversity and pluralism and cafeteria-style hacking...

What's the word? LDS 2.0 in release? That's the impression I get from FAIR's patch fixes, yet somehow I just can't see the Brethern issuing the Book of Mormon under a creative commons liscense...

[_Tommy]

Brother Schmo,

Let us hope the spirit doesn't constrain my arm to the 90. Do not provoke the Lord.

Brother Coggins,

Thank you for your humble and simple faith. I'm pleased that as I, you also believe brother Joseph.

Brothers Mercury and Yong,

I think brother Packer would be more suited to handle your needs than I am. I shall put in a word for you both.

Sweet Sister Blixa,

How are you and your students? I hope well. One day I imagine we'll all meet in my big office and sing, "Praise to the Man."

Allow me to answer your questions. First, understand that there are different kinds of revelation. When it comes to matters of doctrine and church procedure, all truth comes from the prophets, seers, and revelators. At no time is any prophet, "bad code". But we should keep our current conference edition of the Ensign handy in close proximity to our Standard Works whereas we are less concerned with past conference matters or much older revelations such as those found in the Journal of Discourses.

Then there are moments of inspiration where the light of Christ shines down upon the face of humanity and brings forth good fruit unto him who feasts upon the harvest. For instance, the heavens opened for Handel as he composed the Messiah and he was not even a member of the church. John Von Neumann was not a member of the church either (though I believe he is now!), yet the Lord revealed to him basic computer architecture for the later purpose of genealogy.

Certainly, the membership of the church do not establish Church doctrine. They may receive revelation for their stewardship only. And that revelation will never conflict with the revelation of their leaders.

[_moksha]

Dear Brother Tommy,

Wouldn't it be wonderful to hear sweet Sister Blixa's voice singing, "Praise to the Man who communed with Jehovah"?
It would make most all of us here at Mormon Discussions a bit weepy eyed. Might even have to pass around some
Benadryl. Perhaps we could see if Sister Liz is able to incorporate the Church PAF program into this Discussion forum.
I know it would make Brother Crocket glad to be able to trace our individual ancestors right to our very own doorstep,
along with some husky Elders.

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule of meetings and trips to come and share a gospel message with us.

Brother Moksha