The Origin of FAIR/MAD

[_Dr. Shades]

. . . at least for Juliann, this has been, I believe, the main cause for all the animosity she has towards Dr. Shades.

True dat!

[_moksha]

There may come some future point where instead of what transpired, non-apologetic Church members may say something like, "We have no firm answer against Dr. Murphy's findings, but rather than introduce any false accusations as a form of rebuttal, we will simply reaffirm our belief that American Natives are the descendants of the Lamanites".

Good news, we now only have to say a small but undetectable portion of Israelite DNA remains in the largely Asiatic Native American population. Had this been the case back when, the lie that ended the ZLMB would not have been promulgated (unless it was a cloudy day at Claremont and a little mischief was needed to liven things up) and all the banning at FAIR/MAD/MD&D would not have occurred. This is significant to me, since I miss being on boards with a lot of friendly Mormons. Well, at least there is still NOM, Beliefnet and Liz's board.

[_Dr. Shades]

For those interested in trivia, that ZLMB thread under discussion here was in progress precisely 10 years ago.

[_ldsfaqs]

I met Thomas Murphy at the pre Fair Conference social, the first Fair Conference I had went to years ago. I had already had years behind me of religious studies and experience in religions, and had joined the church, later became anti-mormon and anti-reglion, and then rejoined. So, I was already well familar with the arguments against the Book of Mormon from anti-mormons trying to use the Sciences.

But, I was just getting in the loop, and Thomas Murphy was just starting to get big, and so I didn't know him or his particular "brand" of argument, same argument with just a different package. Anyway, we were talking, and he was telling me his theory's, etc., and I just laughed at him. Because I had already long debunked his interpretations and perversions of Mormonism, the Book of Mormon, and of the sciences, and it was funny to me that someone who was intellectually minded and having been Mormon could be so utterly stupid to not know what I knew, someone who wasn't in the "group", not a professional. I also laughed because I didn't want to say anything incorrect, since this new branch of the same theme and Ideas was being promoted. I was only knowledgeable of the old arguments at the time, and being new, I was there more to observe than to give opinion.

But anyway...... I don't like the fact that he teaches Native American's that Mormons are racist because the Book of Mormon is racist.
It is an immoral man who doesn't know scripture enough to understand black and white symbolism of spiritual things. Even the Bible has similar and the same statements.

[Guest]

I don't like the fact that he teaches Native American's that Mormons are racist because the Book of Mormon is racist.
It is an immoral man who doesn't know scripture enough to understand black and white symbolism of spiritual things.

From a talk given by (the seemingly immoral) Elder Spencer W Kimball of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles:

The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised (2 Ne. 30:6). In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos; five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather. There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

http://scriptures.byu.edu/gettalk.php?ID=1091&era=yes

[_tapirrider]

But anyway...... I don't like the fact that he teaches Native American's that Mormons are racist because the Book of Mormon is racist.
It is an immoral man who doesn't know scripture enough to understand black and white symbolism of spiritual things. Even the Bible has similar and the same statements.

The Book of Mormon does teach racism and is morally condemnable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2dWCsvzmQ

[Tator]

For those interested in trivia, that ZLMB thread under discussion here was in progress precisely 10 years ago.

I believe this is my all-time favorite MD thread. It demonstrates why, despite his flaws and tendencies to get too personal with DCP, many of us pay attention to what Scratch says. He is obviously extremely intelligent and able to synthesize information in a remarkable way. Yeah, there are times his leads go nowhere and even seem silly, but when he hits it out of the park, it's gone, baby, gone.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

EPIC thread!