How did dating work for polygamist?

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SatanWasSetUp wrote:
Seven wrote:
The transcript from the Reed Smoot hearings quotes President Joseph F. Smith on the topic of consent, which adds insight:
Q: "Is it not true that ... if she refuses her consent her husband is exempt from the law which requires her consent?"
A: "Yes; he is exempt from the law which requires her consent. She is commanded to consent, but if she does not, then he is exempt from the requirement."
Q: "Then he is at liberty to proceed without her consent, under the law. In other words, her consent amounts to nothing?"
A: "It amounts to nothing but her consent" (1:201).


What? It amounts to nothing but her consent? What does that mean? Can an apologist please translate this for us.


It means just that--nothing but the empty formality of consent. Thought I doubt JFS thought he was saying quite that...
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Seven wrote:Hi Truth Dancer, :)

Great point. How is it possible for a man to court or fall in love with a future polygamist bride without breaking this commandment of Jesus?


The question should be how can a man court or fall in love with any bride without breaking this commandment? That law doesn't have an exemption for the unmarried so single people have to live it too.
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Hi Nehor...

How can one commit adultery if one is not married? How can one look upon "another" woman (one other than one's wife) if he is not married?

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harmony wrote:
Seven wrote:
beastie wrote:Some women recorded negative feelings in their journal after seeing their husband dancing, flirting, and taking young girls out for carriage rides, so there must have been some form of courting going on. (I remember reading at least one account that mentioned something about an old man making a fool of himself....)


I can't even imagine how ridiculous that must have looked to see these old religous men flirting and courting
teenagers. Yuck.


And no viagra. I mean, just think about it for a few minutes. Things shrivel and droop as people age.


Wow, was that visual necessary? I'll be a long time getting that out of my head.
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The very thought of these young girls, (think beehives and mia maids) having to contemplate the idea of marrying older men, often in their forties, fifties or sixties sickens me to no end.

Now, please, it is not that there is anything wrong with older men... (smile), it is just that young girls are not interested in friends of their fathers or grandfathers as a husband.

These girls are/were completely deprived of the normal, natural tendencies and joys of a young women, in exchange for being one of many sexual partners to an older man

It is all so repulsive and cruel.

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truth dancer wrote:The very thought of these young girls, (think beehives and mia maids) having to contemplate the idea of marrying older men, often in their forties, fifties or sixties sickens me to no end.

Now, please, it is not that there is anything wrong with older men... (smile), it is just that young girls are not interested in friends of their fathers or grandfathers as a husband.

These girls are/were completely deprived of the normal, natural tendencies and joys of a young women, in exchange for being one of many sexual partners to an older man

It is all so repulsive and cruel.

~dancer~


Sarah Pratt found it disgusting too.

[quote]
http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/polygamy_sex.htm
Sarah Pratt
Sarah Pratt insisted that the first wife "should be it, and resented her husband's affections toward his other wives. Being away from home on church assignment was a hallmark of dedication for Mormon males, and during the years 1839-68, Orson Pratt was absent from his home for a total of nearly eleven years. Thirteen children were born during this period. Death took many, and other hands than Orson's usually buried them.

Ultimately Pratt's preoccupation with church work and his habit of marrying much younger women dealt a fatal blow to his relationship with Sarah. After returning from England in early 1868, the fifty-seven-year-old man began courting a sixteen-year-old girl who would become his tenth wife on 28 December 1868. At fifty-one, Sarah could no longer bear children, and she had come to resent bitterly Pratt's relationships with women younger than their oldest daughter. In an 1877 interview she lashed out at him. "Here was my husband," she said, "gray headed, taking to his bed young girls in mockery of marriage. Of course there could be no joy for him in such an intercourse except the indulgence of his fanaticism and of something else, perhaps, which I hesitate to mention."

Sarah castigated polygamy as the "direst curse with which a people or a nation could be afflicted. It completely demoralizes good men, and makes bad men correspondingly worse. As for the women—well, God help them! First wives it renders desperate, or else heart-broken, mean-spirited creatures; and it almost unsexes some of the other women, but not all of them, for plural wives have their sorrows too."[/quote]
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truth dancer wrote:Hi Nehor...

How can one commit adultery if one is not married? How can one look upon "another" woman (one other than one's wife) if he is not married?

~dancer~


Doesn't say 'another' woman in the Book of Mormon or the Bible. It says "a woman". I have God's personal confirmation that you can sub in fornication for adultery if needed so now I at least have to. :(
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Things shrivel and droop as people age.


You would know.
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The Nehor wrote:I have only anecdotes. The one I am most familiar with is my great-great grandfather and great-great grandmother. In her journal she records him coming home from a meeting with the Brethren looking distressed. She inquired what was wrong and he said that if he and his wife agreed he was to take another wife. She records him saying that he wanted no other woman but her and that if he was to marry again it would be with her consent. After discussing at length it was decided that she would begin the search for someone else. She favored her sister and he agreed and they were married.
So then, based on the laws of the land, since this marriage was not a legally recognized union, your great-great grandfather and your great-great grandmother's sister were by definition "adulterers" ?

Any children that were the result of these two unwed people were defined as illegitimate or known by definition, as bastards.
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Re: Harmony

Post by _KimberlyAnn »

Gazelam wrote:
Things shrivel and droop as people age.


You would know.


Gazelam, why are you being such as asshole to Harmony?

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