Runtu wrote: I think the grand key word spoken of is, as Joseph Smith said, one of "supplication." The new name is a key word, but not the grand key word. Those of us who went through the temple before 1990 remember the supplication that enabled one to communicate with God through prayer.
I went through in 1998 but know what the supplication is from reading it online. Sorry if this is a stupid question but isn't the Adamic supplication 3 words? Why would Joseph refer to it as a Grand key word (singular)? The English translation is even longer.
When the LDS Royalty are given the Second annointing, is there any special key, token, or sign they receive? I was wondering if there was any connection to the grand key word and this ordinance.
Great topic-I had never heard of the Grand Key Word before.
My understanding is that the "Adamic" was one word, three syllables.
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[June 15, 1844. Saturday.] A.M. [Joseph Smith, the Prophet was] conversing with Dr. J. Wakefield and others . . . spoke concerning key words. The g[rand] key word was the first word Adam spoke and is a word of supplication. He found the word by the Urim and Thummim. It is that key word to which the heavens is opened. [Journal of William Clayton under above date.]
Is there still a grand key word revealed to temple-worthy Mormons? (I asked this question at MADB and they didn't just close it; they "moved" it, apparently into the oblivion of outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of threads.)
So, are we to understand that TBMs would believe that what KA typed in previously, the three words, or at least three syllables, are in fact the "grand key word", the first word or phrase Adam spoke, and that word to which the heavens are opened? Because if so, I'm not sure I recall it being explained in that way at all, but hey, what do I know.
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Sethbag wrote:Let's just remind ourselves of the OP:
[June 15, 1844. Saturday.] A.M. [Joseph Smith, the Prophet was] conversing with Dr. J. Wakefield and others . . . spoke concerning key words. The g[rand] key word was the first word Adam spoke and is a word of supplication. He found the word by the Urim and Thummim. It is that key word to which the heavens is opened. [Journal of William Clayton under above date.]
Is there still a grand key word revealed to temple-worthy Mormons? (I asked this question at MADB and they didn't just close it; they "moved" it, apparently into the oblivion of outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of threads.)
So, are we to understand that TBMs would believe that what KA typed in previously, the three words, or at least three syllables, are in fact the "grand key word", the first word or phrase Adam spoke, and that word to which the heavens are opened? Because if so, I'm not sure I recall it being explained in that way at all, but hey, what do I know.
It wasn't explained that way to me, either, Sethbag, but those three syllables are the closest thing to fitting the description provided by Celestial Kingdom.
And they could, in a sense, open the door to heaven because they were the gateway to speaking with God in the true order of prayer.
It's interesting how in the temple when Adam uses the "true order of prayer" it is Lucifer that answers him. I found that odd. What's the point of having a way to communicate with God if satan can and does hear it and answer? What's the point of that?
Blixa wrote: Asbestosman, I think you are thinking of something different, but I have a question as well about your comment:
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Is the 'new name' alluded to here, the same as the new name one recieves in the temple? It doesn't seem so from this description, so are there two "new names" one should recieve, the second being given on actual admittance to the Celestial Kingdom (along with a side of peepstone)? If so, then why does one need one for the reasons given in verse 10 "whereby things pertaining to a higher order of kingdoms will be made known," since presumably in the Celestial Kingdom one will have this knowledge already. Verse 10 makes the "white stone with new name" sound like something needed in earth more than in heaven...
Please forgive me for not commenting much further on the matter. Looking back I think my scripture was only tangentially related to Celestial Kingdom's question as I think most here agree.
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