Making the fundies go away via Press Release

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_The Nehor
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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.lds.org.

Read it again.
Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times I read it, you and the lds morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.


They didn't classify them as anything. READ IT AGAIN. It is a press release making sure that everyone knows that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Note that the press release doesn't claim the name Mormon even for us. It accepts the fact that we are often called "Mormons" but that we are not affiliated with what he would call the "Mormon" Church. It's a simple clarifying statement that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the LDS Church because we are often referred to by the same slang. It doesn't claim the slang.

The OP claims the release is an attempt to say that Jeffs can't call himself Mormon. It's not in there. Then Merc adds to his sig line Satan's comment that the LDS Church is forbidding others from calling themselves Mormon when IT DOES NOT!!!!!
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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.lds.org.

Read it again.
Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times I read it, you and the lds morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.


They didn't classify them as anything. READ IT AGAIN. It is a press release making sure that everyone knows that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Note that the press release doesn't claim the name Mormon even for us. It accepts the fact that we are often called "Mormons" but that we are not affiliated with what he would call the "Mormon" Church. It's a simple clarifying statement that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the LDS Church because we are often referred to by the same slang. It doesn't claim the slang.

The OP claims the release is an attempt to say that Jeffs can't call himself Mormon. It's not in there. Then Merc adds to his sig line Satan's comment that the LDS Church is forbidding others from calling themselves Mormon when IT DOES NOT!!!!!


This might clarify the church's position for you, Nehor:


Polygamist Sects Are Not “Mormons,” Church Says

Salt Lake City, UT 25 October 2006 SALT LAKE CITY — Many news outlets are reporting on the recent arrest of fugitive polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, who is on the FBI's Most Wanted list.

Some media outlets have been very careful to describe Warren Jeffs as a "fugitive polygamist sect leader." Other reports refer to Mr. Jeffs as a "Mormon," "fundamentalist Mormon," or as the leader of a "Mormon sect."

Some may debate what the definition of a Mormon is, but terms like "Mormon Tabernacle Choir," "Mormon Temple" and "Mormon missionaries" are universally understood to refer to the 12-million member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Quite simply, calling Warren Jeffs a Mormon is misleading and confusing to the vast majority of audiences who rightfully associate the term "Mormon" with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The following information may be helpful in further drawing the distinction:

Warren Jeffs Is Not a Mormon
Warren Jeffs is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and never has been.

Mormons Do Not Practice Polygamy
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890.

In 1998, President Gordon B. Hinckley said: "I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law.

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church."

There Is No Such Thing as a "Mormon Fundamentalist" or "Mormon Sect"
The term "Mormon" is a nickname commonly applied to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is no such thing as a "Mormon fundamentalist," nor are there "Mormon sects." A correct term to describe these polygamist groups is "polygamist sects." The inclusion of the word "Mormon" is misleading and inaccurate.
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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.lds.org.

Read it again.
Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times I read it, you and the lds morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.


They didn't classify them as anything. READ IT AGAIN. It is a press release making sure that everyone knows that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Note that the press release doesn't claim the name Mormon even for us. It accepts the fact that we are often called "Mormons" but that we are not affiliated with what he would call the "Mormon" Church. It's a simple clarifying statement that Warren Jeffs is not affiliated with the LDS Church because we are often referred to by the same slang. It doesn't claim the slang.

The OP claims the release is an attempt to say that Jeffs can't call himself Mormon. It's not in there. Then Merc adds to his sig line Satan's comment that the LDS Church is forbidding others from calling themselves Mormon when IT DOES NOT!!!!!


Jeffs is part of the Mormon faith, thus invalidating your argument.

The following information may be helpful in further drawing the distinction:

Warren Jeffs Is Not a Mormon


False. Jeffs IS a Mormon. The press release is Bunko.
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Post by _Scottie »

This is akin to saying that Sunni's are really the ONLY Muslim sect because they are the largest, and that Shiites are not really Muslims at all.

Don't we just all lump them into one group? They are Muslims.

I believe that is how the rest of the world looks at Mormons. That is why they all believe we still practice polygamy. There is no definitive line between LDS and FLDS. It's all just one big Mormon church.
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