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http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=767673

So if someone thinks Joe was a prophet, believes in the Book of Mormon and does everything that comes along with that why can't he be called a Mormon? According to this press release from the LDS church you can't call them Mormon.

This pisses me off to no end. To believe that these corporate PR wonks can change public perception via press release is another story but to discount another's chosen faith's title is arrogant and silly. It underscores the useless arrogance those within mormoncorp will go to in order to hide the more wacky Mormon behavior.

Jeffs is more of a Mormon than any prophet of the LDS church in the past 90 years.

Its as if the republicans can send a press release out declaring those registered as republicans that are more centrist are not true republicans.

Agreed 100% Merc!!

The LDS church is the offshoot, not the FLDS. As any apologist well tell you, just because they have less money and a smaller membership certainly isn't an indicator of truth.

If anything, the FLDS hasn't succumbed to government pressures like the LDS church has. They will fight to keep God's laws on the Earth no matter what! The LDS church bends and sways to pressures, all while hiding behind "continuing revelation".

Well if the FLDS can't call themselves Mormon because the LDS say so, then the LDS can't call themselves Christians because the Chrsitians say so.

Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.LDS.org.

Read it again.

Fair enough, but what about this from the same article:

For the record, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued its practice of polygamy in 1890, and for 117 years Mormons have followed a monogamous lifestyle.

So much for everyone knowing about post-Manifesto polygamy. Someone might want to send Mr Otterson over to the MAD board so they can fill him in.

capt jack wrote:Fair enough, but what about this from the same article:

For the record, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued its practice of polygamy in 1890, and for 117 years Mormons have followed a monogamous lifestyle.

So much for everyone knowing about post-Manifesto polygamy. Someone might want to send Mr Otterson over to the MAD board so they can fill him in.

I wonder if people think that Otterson is "lazy" for not knowing about that.

For the record, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued its practice of polygamy in 1890, and for 117 years Mormons have followed a monogamous lifestyle.

Is it possible that Otterson is truly this uninformed?

I also find the wording interresting... "Mormons have followed a monogamous lifestyle." Clever.

They follow a monogamous lifestyle but still believe in polygamy and practice it for the eternities.

This is the kind of clever deception I found quite incongruent with a supposed church of God.

But of course... this is just an opinion and he doesn't really represent the leaders, and he doesn't understand, and he is just trying to put the church in a good light, and etc. etc. etc. etc.

(sigh)

~dancer~

The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.LDS.org.

Read it again.

Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times i read it, you and the LDS morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.

Mercury wrote:

The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.LDS.org.

Read it again.

Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times I read it, you and the LDS morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.

I agree to an existent. It really boils down to what the definition of a "Mormon" is, and this definition, since never defined directly by the church is left up to the individual. This is why I don't try to label individuals as "Mormon" or "baptist" or "catholic" or what have you, because the label limits the individuality of the person. For example, if the individual labels themselves as a Mormon, and this becomes a central core concept of their personal identity, then when they learn of something they were unfamiliar with in Mormonism, they MUST change their identity to conform to that label. So the woman, raised to think she is a Mormon who later realizes that women are to stay in the home and raise the children will have to do as such in order to keep an identity crisis from forming. The label, in a way, removes both personal identity and free agency all at the same time.

However, to change it up and to stipulate that the individual is a member of the [insert church name] church, this frees up the individual to have an identity that is separate from the identity of the church. If they realize that the church supports (I dunno) mass murders, then they can safely stipulate that this is a characteristic of the church, but not necessarily a characteristic of the individual.

So, Jeff Warren is a member of a Mormon Church, yes, though not mainstream Mormonism, and that is easy to swallow. There are many churches that fall under the category of a Mormon Church, and Wikipedia lists many of them within the "movement"...

Mercury wrote:

The Nehor wrote:Uhhh...guys, the press release is not declaring Mormon to be a sacred word at all. It is just a clarification that it is not referring to the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints often called the "Mormons".

SALT LAKE CITY, UT--(Marketwire - September 7, 2007) - With the imminent trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs in Utah, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is sending out a statement of clarification today, emphasizing that Jeffs and his polygamous group have no association whatever with the worldwide church often referred to as the "Mormon" faith. Jeffs is not and never has been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church says that confusion frequently arises, especially among headline writers, when polygamous groups are in the news. Full text: See "Commentary" at www.newsroom.LDS.org.

Read it again.

Nehor, when they say "the Mormon faith" they have no right to classify jeffs or any other fundies as outside Mormonism. It does not matter how many times I read it, you and the LDS morons still come off like someone dictating something they have no control over.

I agree to an existent. It really boils down to what the definition of a "Mormon" is, and this definition, since never defined directly by the church is left up to the individual. This is why I don't try to label individuals as "Mormon" or "baptist" or "catholic" or what have you, because the label limits the individuality of the person. For example, if the individual labels themselves as a Mormon, and this becomes a central core concept of their personal identity, then when they learn of something they were unfamiliar with in Mormonism, they MUST change their identity to conform to that label. So the woman, raised to think she is a Mormon who later realizes that women are to stay in the home and raise the children will have to do as such in order to keep an identity crisis from forming. The label, in a way, removes both personal identity and free agency all at the same time.

However, to change it up and to stipulate that the individual is a member of the [insert church name] church, this frees up the individual to have an identity that is separate from the identity of the church. If they realize that the church supports (I dunno) mass murders, then they can safely stipulate that this is a characteristic of the church, but not necessarily a characteristic of the individual.

So, Jeff Warren is a member of a Mormon Church, yes, though not mainstream Mormonism, and that is easy to swallow. There are many churches that fall under the category of a Mormon Church, and Wikipedia lists many of them within the "movement"...