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I've had yet another revelation (or epiphany, whatever you want to call it), and this time those of you who are "faithful" members can't claim that I've "lost the Spirit" and am merely deluding myself with my own fancies because it is impossible to lose the Spirit even according to the teachings of the Church.

His influence is omnipresent!

“The Holy Ghost as a personage of Spirit can no more be omnipresent in person than can the Father or the Son, but by his intelligence, his knowledge, his power and influence, over and through the laws of nature, he is and can be omnipresent throughout all the works of God” (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], p. 61) [emphasis added]

Here's another useful analogy from a lesson on the Holy Ghost:

"We know that the sun itself can be in only one place at a time. But the heat, light, and energy that radiate from it can enlighten and fill the entire solar system at once. Similarly, the Holy Ghost as a personage can be in only one place at one time, but his influence and power can and do fill the immensity of space."
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So it is a logical impossibility that anyone is not influenced by the Holy Ghost since his influence is omnipresent. Ergo, giving the Holy Ghost to people provides them with no extra spiritual endowment of any kind and it's impossible to lose the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost when you get exed, have your name removed or play with your little factory. The Holy Ghost is there whether you like it or not, and it's there (and everywhere) to stay.

I can't believe I've gone this long without realizing the obvious contradiction.

In Hell we have a saying: "Humanity should be shredded limb from limb"

The foul influence of the Holy Ghost is omnipresent but one can lessen it's impact by violating the unjust laws of the False Lord. Only through carnal acts of heathen perversity and the deliberate choice to throw off the sentimental aspects of life can lead one to understand the Miserific Vision and the dignity, austerity, and realism of Hell.

Zoidberg wrote:"We know that the sun itself can be in only one place at a time. But the heat, light, and energy that radiate from it can enlighten and fill the entire solar system at once. Similarly, the Holy Ghost as a personage can be in only one place at one time, but his influence and power can and do fill the immensity of space."

I can think of a few places in the solar system where the sun don't shine . . .


Look at it this way. Even if one can't completely remove herself from influence by the Holy Ghost, one can yet get out of direct contact and got a more shady area where less influence is present and perhaps further still until the ambient influence is so considerably low as to be very difficult to see. I can still see a bit at night in the woods, just not very much. Maybe if I were a nocturnal creature things would be different though.

Zoidberg wrote:I've had yet another revelation (or epiphany, whatever you want to call it), and this time those of you who are "faithful" members can't claim that I've "lost the Spirit" and am merely deluding myself with my own fancies because it is impossible to lose the Spirit even according to the teachings of the Church.

His influence is omnipresent!

“The Holy Ghost as a personage of Spirit can no more be omnipresent in person than can the Father or the Son, but by his intelligence, his knowledge, his power and influence, over and through the laws of nature, he is and can be omnipresent throughout all the works of God” (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939], p. 61) [emphasis added]

Here's another useful analogy from a lesson on the Holy Ghost:

"We know that the sun itself can be in only one place at a time. But the heat, light, and energy that radiate from it can enlighten and fill the entire solar system at once. Similarly, the Holy Ghost as a personage can be in only one place at one time, but his influence and power can and do fill the immensity of space."

So it is a logical impossibility that anyone is not influenced by the Holy Ghost since his influence is omnipresent. Ergo, giving the Holy Ghost to people provides them with no extra spiritual endowment of any kind and it's impossible to lose the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost when you get exed, have your name removed or play with your little factory. The Holy Ghost is there whether you like it or not, and it's there (and everywhere) to stay.

I can't believe I've gone this long without realizing the obvious contradiction.

We see through glass darkly and our leaders are no different. They say lots of things, most of which are just guesses or opinions. So I would not trust this utterance any more than I trust any other.

Personally, I think the whole concept of the Gift of the Holy Ghost is a construct of vain men trying to make more of themselves than they actually are. The Holy Ghost visited Joseph often, prior to his baptism, or at least that's the story. Nothing else accounts for the dreams, the visitations, the visions. Unless, of course, the church is going to finally admit that our founder made it all up?

Its hard to lose something that never existed in the first place.

Mercury wrote:Its hard to lose something that never existed in the first place.

I wonder then how many people area actually capable of losing their minds. Some have accused me of such, but now I question whether such an idea is coherant.

Likewise I wonder how many people are actually able to lose their tempers.

asbestosman wrote:

Mercury wrote:Its hard to lose something that never existed in the first place.

I wonder then how many people area actually capable of losing their minds. Some have accused me of such, but now I question whether such an idea is coherant.

Likewise I wonder how many people are actually able to lose their tempers.

Sigh, silly semantics and word games will get you nowhere.

Now go play on the swingset ;)

Mercury wrote:Sigh, silly semantics and word games will get you nowhere.

I can show you a cageful of tormented souls that will show you how far it got them.

Belial wrote:

Mercury wrote:Sigh, silly semantics and word games will get you nowhere.

I can show you a cageful of tormented souls that will show you how far it got them.

What exactly does a soul look like?

harmony wrote:

Belial wrote:

Mercury wrote:Sigh, silly semantics and word games will get you nowhere.

I can show you a cageful of tormented souls that will show you how far it got them.

What exactly does a soul look like?

You are not pure spirit, you're a filthy mudblooded half-breed amphibian so no description truly works.

If you accept offer to show them to you I would first have to rip your spirit out of your body.