November 5th, 2006 Banned from unFAIR
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:24 am
Banned 1 Year Ago
Just recently a fast ISP became available in my area for the first time. So I changed to the fast internet. With the change in ISPs and my address I decided to check out MAD for the first time since I was banned on November 5th, 2006. I registered as a Edsel and played a sockpuppet for the first time ever. I didn’t change my id in my address, I did some PMing, and tried to resist posting. I knew that I would be banned again and that it would not take long. I wanted to read a bit and get the flavor of the board again. I found it quite boring for the couple of weeks that I lurked. I did make a couple of innocent and benign posts on David Bokovoy’s thread about Divine Counsel and calling Kevin out when Kevin was unable to respond. The same thread that TrashCanMan was banned over. You can’t defend what is fair or anything that has anything to do with Kevin in any way shape or form or you’re gone from there. I made a total of about 10 posts and was banned
I did accomplish what I really wanted to do and the real reason I went there in the first place. I wanted to access my old posts and especially my last post before being banned for good. I am glad it is for good and forever because I have no desire to ever go back.
After a year I got curious about what I did to get banned to the point of not even being able to read the site. Some times your memory fades. Anyway to celebrate the one year anniversary of the “infamous” banning from FAIR I would like to post my last post and some supporting posts. Maybe some of you would like to add your memories of a year ago.
Shortly, after the bannings a year ago, I had a conversation here at MD with Paharon (I hate to spell it correctly) about my banning. I had a recent conversation with Charity and it reminded me of this conversation where Pah even admitted that I really nothing to deserve banning. That thread follows:
http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... =1846#1846
Pahoran
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November 9th, 2006
Pokatator wrote:
Obsession? You said that you couldn't get back there, suggested a line of inquiry, so I did my best to follow it up. How on earth is that an "obsession?"
How is that "hypocrisy?" That appears to be a feature of normal message board functionality. When I was banned from the execrable "Concerned Christians" board, I couldn't see any of my old posts any more either.
Okay, now I see where the misunderstanding arises from. I wasn't speaking about any particular set of bannings, but only about something the mods announced fairly recently, that they were cracking down on sock-puppets.
A "threat?" Is self-importance a prerequisite here? To tell the truth, while I saw stuff I would take issue with, I saw nothing that was other than innocuous.
I'm not a mod. Please don't ask me to second-guess their decisions. If they didn't explain to you why you were banned, then I can only speculate just like you.
As for the reasons for you being banned: I don't know. I thought you said you were banned because of something you posted elsewhere. That's certainly possible, though I expect it would depend more upon what you posted than where.
On the whole, I agree, but then again that depends if FAIR and the board participants are involved.
Of itself, I really couldn't say. As I said before, I had never heard of "Dr. Pastry" and had no idea who you were referring to.
Incidentally, and just to set the record straight, Dan is no starveling, but neither is he the vast mountain of lard some of you seem to imagine him to be. He doesn't cause the earth to wobble on its axis when he visits New Zealand. He doesn't carry his own weather system with him. Him crossing the street is not a seismic event. In fact, when I drove him from the University to the Temple, we weren't even preceded by a pilot vehicle with a "wide load follows" sign.
And just so you know: he doesn't even like Krispy Kreme doughnuts. His title of "Krispy Kreme King" is a self-deprecating joke that is a parody on the silly anti-Mormon caricatures of him.
Which, incidentally, remind me of nothing so much as anti-Semitic cartoons of Jews with huge noses.
Not that I can see. I wasn't exactly offended.
The paranoia on that thread--and on the copycat thread here--was probably funnier, though.
Regards,
Pahoran
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This is my last post on FAIR before being banned and it is pretty much as I remember and conveyed to Pah.
Then The Brethren Don't Know?, The other option
post Nov 4 2006, 04:26 PM
Post #72
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Pokatator wrote:
Markk asked who is telling the FP and GAs about the WWW?, well the answer has been right here all long.....
It's Dr. Peterson!!! (smilie)
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The next post is prophetic.
post Nov 4 2006, 05:52 PM
Post #73
Dadof7
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Hide the Mrs. and the Tots Brother 'Tater! You just outed a Danite. I prophesy twice baked for Sunday supper!
This post has been edited by Dadof7: Nov 4 2006, 05:52 PM
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Quite prophetic, Nov. 4th, 2006 was a Saturday.
November 5th, 2006 was a Sunday, the day of the banning.
One year ago, tomorrow, Monday, time to celebrate!
Just recently a fast ISP became available in my area for the first time. So I changed to the fast internet. With the change in ISPs and my address I decided to check out MAD for the first time since I was banned on November 5th, 2006. I registered as a Edsel and played a sockpuppet for the first time ever. I didn’t change my id in my address, I did some PMing, and tried to resist posting. I knew that I would be banned again and that it would not take long. I wanted to read a bit and get the flavor of the board again. I found it quite boring for the couple of weeks that I lurked. I did make a couple of innocent and benign posts on David Bokovoy’s thread about Divine Counsel and calling Kevin out when Kevin was unable to respond. The same thread that TrashCanMan was banned over. You can’t defend what is fair or anything that has anything to do with Kevin in any way shape or form or you’re gone from there. I made a total of about 10 posts and was banned
I did accomplish what I really wanted to do and the real reason I went there in the first place. I wanted to access my old posts and especially my last post before being banned for good. I am glad it is for good and forever because I have no desire to ever go back.
After a year I got curious about what I did to get banned to the point of not even being able to read the site. Some times your memory fades. Anyway to celebrate the one year anniversary of the “infamous” banning from FAIR I would like to post my last post and some supporting posts. Maybe some of you would like to add your memories of a year ago.
Shortly, after the bannings a year ago, I had a conversation here at MD with Paharon (I hate to spell it correctly) about my banning. I had a recent conversation with Charity and it reminded me of this conversation where Pah even admitted that I really nothing to deserve banning. That thread follows:
http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... =1846#1846
Pahoran
Deacon
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 203
November 9th, 2006
Pokatator wrote:
Pah
Thanx for checking my posts. At this point I can't prove that you made that statement or not, you may have and you may not have. If I misspoke about you I apologize, I did and do not think I was mistaken.
One thing that you have done by checking my posts and offering a summary here is you have shown your obsession with what is said here.
Obsession? You said that you couldn't get back there, suggested a line of inquiry, so I did my best to follow it up. How on earth is that an "obsession?"
You have also illustrated the hypocrisy of FAIR, you can access my posts from now to forever and I can't.
How is that "hypocrisy?" That appears to be a feature of normal message board functionality. When I was banned from the execrable "Concerned Christians" board, I couldn't see any of my old posts any more either.
You also stated on another thread that the bannings last week were for using sockpuppets. I was in that group of bannings. I have used one handle, one avatar and one IP address for my entire career on the internet, no matter what board I have been on.
Okay, now I see where the misunderstanding arises from. I wasn't speaking about any particular set of bannings, but only about something the mods announced fairly recently, that they were cracking down on sock-puppets.
So you can't wholesale lift entire postings but you can "quote relevant excerpts" from my posts. Tell me out of the nine of my latest posts you summarized, from 9/30 to 11/04, did you find anything that violated any of FAIR board rules? 9 posts in 34 days not a lot of activity, I must have really violated something serious at FAIR to be such a threat.
A "threat?" Is self-importance a prerequisite here? To tell the truth, while I saw stuff I would take issue with, I saw nothing that was other than innocuous.
I'm not a mod. Please don't ask me to second-guess their decisions. If they didn't explain to you why you were banned, then I can only speculate just like you.
As for the reasons for you being banned: I don't know. I thought you said you were banned because of something you posted elsewhere. That's certainly possible, though I expect it would depend more upon what you posted than where.
When I post at FAIR that is FAIR's business, when I post anywhere else it is none of FAIR's business.
On the whole, I agree, but then again that depends if FAIR and the board participants are involved.
My take on this banning is I was banned because of where I posted because you nor anyone at FAIR can find a reason for banning me for what I posted at FAIR. Further more I posted nothing here or at MTT that would violate FAIR rules. Except that I referred to Dr. Peterson as Dr. Pastry which I think is quite benign and still not a banning offence.
Of itself, I really couldn't say. As I said before, I had never heard of "Dr. Pastry" and had no idea who you were referring to.
Incidentally, and just to set the record straight, Dan is no starveling, but neither is he the vast mountain of lard some of you seem to imagine him to be. He doesn't cause the earth to wobble on its axis when he visits New Zealand. He doesn't carry his own weather system with him. Him crossing the street is not a seismic event. In fact, when I drove him from the University to the Temple, we weren't even preceded by a pilot vehicle with a "wide load follows" sign.
And just so you know: he doesn't even like Krispy Kreme doughnuts. His title of "Krispy Kreme King" is a self-deprecating joke that is a parody on the silly anti-Mormon caricatures of him.
Which, incidentally, remind me of nothing so much as anti-Semitic cartoons of Jews with huge noses.
In my last post at unFAIR,from Pah,
Your latest post was posted on Nov 4 2006, 03:26 PM in a thread entitled "Then The Brethren Don't Know?"
this was a thread Markk started. It went heated with BCSpace and the Doctor, it went heated with Markk and the Doctor. It boiled down to an argument that the Doctor was defending, that the brethren knew about the opposition message boards and but they were not monitoring them and that no organization in the church was either. Markk's question just boiled down to, "If the brethren know about it all, but they are not monitoring and not having anyone else or a church org monitoring, How do they know about it? Who is telling them about it?"
The Doctor made a post telling Markk that he has met with the FP and the GAs and does so frequently and he knows they are not monitoring the internet. He goes on to state he has met with many other individuals and orgs in the COB and does so frequently and so he knows for a fact that they are not monitoring the internet.
I paraphrased here Pah, so if I am wrong get permission and post my last post.
I added some humor and stated,
Markk's simple question is who is telling the FP and the GAs?
I stated that from the Doctor's post, it had to be none other than Dr. Peterson.
Boy, that is the kind of humor that is sooo threatening that it is worth banning someone.
Not that I can see. I wasn't exactly offended.
The paranoia on that thread--and on the copycat thread here--was probably funnier, though.
Regards,
Pahoran
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This is my last post on FAIR before being banned and it is pretty much as I remember and conveyed to Pah.
Then The Brethren Don't Know?, The other option
post Nov 4 2006, 04:26 PM
Post #72
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Pokatator wrote:
Markk asked who is telling the FP and GAs about the WWW?, well the answer has been right here all long.....
(Daniel Peterson @ Nov 1 2006, 09:03 PM)
My evidence derives from direct conversations with General Authorities and Church employees at all levels and about a number of subjects, including subjects touching very much on this one. With regard to the suggestion that, for example, members of the Public Affairs staff in Australia are involved in monitoring anti-Mormonism there and on the web, my evidence derives from the fact that I know every single member of that staff, both employed and Church service, and have spent considerable time with each and every one of them during the past two months. I know their assignments and what they do. Those do not include monitoring anti-Mormons or watching web sites. I know for a fact, from direct conversation, that senior Public Affairs officers at the headquarters in Salt Lake know a great deal less about anti-Mormonism on the web and about various message boards such as this one than I do.
It's Dr. Peterson!!! (smilie)
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The next post is prophetic.
post Nov 4 2006, 05:52 PM
Post #73
Dadof7
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(Pokatator @ Nov 4 2006, 03:26 PM) *
Markk asked who is telling the FP and GAs about the WWW?, well the answer has been right here all long.....
It's Dr. Peterson!!! (smilie)
Hide the Mrs. and the Tots Brother 'Tater! You just outed a Danite. I prophesy twice baked for Sunday supper!
This post has been edited by Dadof7: Nov 4 2006, 05:52 PM
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Quite prophetic, Nov. 4th, 2006 was a Saturday.
November 5th, 2006 was a Sunday, the day of the banning.
One year ago, tomorrow, Monday, time to celebrate!
