The apologist head in a basket

[_Runtu]

OK, I have definite proof that the person charity is referring to is not Kevin Graham. I don't think this person posts here, so that may be the cause of the confusion.

[_charity]

OK, I have definite proof that the person charity is referring to is not Kevin Graham. I don't think this person posts here, so that may be the cause of the confusion.

Thanks, runtu. I posted in response to this on the "Voldemort" thread.

I appreciate it.

[_dartagnan]

Well let's hear it. Oh wait, you can't. this former Mormon made charity promise not to tell anyone in the world, except you. Yea, that makes a lot of sense. As if this serves any purpose in validating charity's claim. This is like saying I won't show you the gold plates. I'll show your friend and then you have to accept it.

You said the poster doesn't post here, which proves charity was referring to me. Please note the original exchange between harmony and charity clearly indicates that charity implied the poster did post here. Since I am the only poster on this forum who fits the characterization of the rumor it seems clear charity had me in mind.

Again, for those who might be falling for charity's little deception game:

Harmony: "We have at least a couple of posters who once posted on the Mormon Apologists team. Now they don't. Same style, same logic, different conclusions."

Charity: "From what I hear about at least one, it wasn't a message board which changed his mind...rumor I heard was that someone got his head handed to him in a basket when he was caught unprepared, got his pride whomped, and then wanted to blame his bruised ego on the Church, the general authorities, and every TBM who wouldn't lick his wounds to make him feel better."

Harmony clearly referred to MD posters who onced posted at MAD. charity proposes to refute her claim by spreading an admitted "rumor" she heard. He point would not be valid unless that person posted here. So, runtu, whatever it is charity told you in pm, the person you found out about could not have been the person she was talking about in this case.

Having said this, I find it suspicious that an apologist turned critic would be embarrassed or scared at the prospect of us knowing who he or she is, especially since this person doesn't seem to have a problem with idiots like charity using his or her experience to further the cause of his or her former faith. It simply doesn't add up. I mean what is the worst thing that could happen... someone might use this incident in a reckless manner to toot her own horn. Oh, too late, charity already did that.

[_Zoidberg]

OK, I have definite proof that the person charity is referring to is not Kevin Graham. I don't think this person posts here, so that may be the cause of the confusion.

Have you heard of this person before? Can you verify that the situation described by charity really happened to this person?

[_Blixa]

I'm willing to believe that there was some other person's identity mixed into the mess at some point, what I find hard to believe is that this was all an "honest" mistake at the origin. There was too much back-pedalling and obsfucation by charity in the Voldemart thread to make it look easily resolvable (though if I am being charitible, I often find charity's threads to be less than clear attempts to recast earlier opaque assertions). Given that there is so much absolutely nasty personalizing done in the name of Mormon apologetics, it also makes this hooha seem like just more of the same. Intellectual and personal dishonesty have become hard to separate in the realm of internet Mormonism.

[_Runtu]

OK, I have definite proof that the person charity is referring to is not Kevin Graham. I don't think this person posts here, so that may be the cause of the confusion.

Have you heard of this person before? Can you verify that the situation described by charity really happened to this person?

Yes, I have heard of this person, and If I recall correctly, the person used to post on FAIR. But not here.

[_dartagnan]

Hey Runtu, do you know how to get in touch with him/her?

[_Runtu]

Hey Runtu, do you know how to get in touch with him/her?

No, sorry, I don't. But I recognized the name. I have no idea whether the rumors charity shared are true or not. But, as I said, I fulfilled my part of the bargain, and I'll say no more on this subject.

[_Zoidberg]

Hey Runtu, do you know how to get in touch with him/her?

No, sorry, I don't. But I recognized the name. I have no idea whether the rumors charity shared are true or not. But, as I said, I fulfilled my part of the bargain, and I'll say no more on this subject.

So it really doesn't solve anything.

[_Runtu]

Hey Runtu, do you know how to get in touch with him/her?

No, sorry, I don't. But I recognized the name. I have no idea whether the rumors charity shared are true or not. But, as I said, I fulfilled my part of the bargain, and I'll say no more on this subject.

So it really doesn't solve anything.

Nope, nothing but the identity of the person being referred to.