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are there actually things and writings that even the tanners don't know about that the Church is keeping from everyone except maybe the fifteen apostles and a few others. What or who do you think is there - Zelph?

thestyleguy wrote:are there actually things and writings that even the tanners don't know about that the Church is keeping from everyone except maybe the fifteen apostles and a few others. What or who do you think is there - Zelph?

I would venture to say that there is stuff in the vault that the present 15 don't even know about.

I believe that there is a enough stuff in the vault to destroy anyone's testimony no matter who they are. If that was not true, why a vault? Why not a library or a museum? Why is the stuff in a vault and not in the visitor's center? Why don't scholars have unfettered access?

I think we all know why.

Actually Zelph is there I believe. If not some of his bones at least the arrowhead taken from his thigh. I believe there are other similar historical artifacts and of course some peepstones. How many and which ones I can never keep straight, nor do I remember if they are allegedly in the "First President's vault" or in the ones up the canyon.

I'm sure there are plenty of interesting documents, too, as was make clear in the Hoffmann debacle. The extent of church holdings in the public archives is pretty impressive, itself. I'm dying to come back and do more work there. Its a pity their index is only available onsite.

Blixa wrote:Actually Zelph is there I believe. If not some of his bones at least the arrowhead taken from his thigh. I believe there are other similar historical artifacts and of course some peepstones. How many and which ones I can never keep straight, nor do I remember if they are allegedly in the "First President's vault" or in the ones up the canyon.

I'm sure there are plenty of interesting documents, too, as was make clear in the Hoffmann debacle. The extent of church holdings in the public archives is pretty impressive, itself. I'm dying to come back and do more work there. Its a pity their index is only available onsite.

I heard about this place in the "canyon". Is it like Camp David? The RUMOR and it's just a RUMOR was that they get to practice the law of celestial marriage there.

And Amelia Earhart was held prisoner by the Japanese and traded for Howard Hughes new airplane design that became the Zero. And there was another shooteron the Grassy Knoll. And . . . . .

Paranoia to the max.

You know what is really funny here. If someone at sometime had come across something that would absolutely destroy the Church, and he/them wanted to keep the Church going, whatis the sensible thing to do? DESTROY it. Come on, guys. Why hold on to the incriminating evidence?

And the thing up in the Canyon? It is called the Granite Mountain Vault, and it has all the oirignals of genealogical records of the Family Histroy Department and the thousands of computers that are right now digitizing them all to put them on the interent.

I joined the Church when I was in college. 1960. One of my dorm mates came up to me and said, in a conspiratorial whisper, "Now that you are a Mormon, do you get to see whatever that secret thing is that they keep in that little box, you know, the Tabernacle?"

That was hilarious. You guys are just as funny.

charity wrote:If someone at sometime had come across something that would absolutely destroy the Church, and he/them wanted to keep the Church going, whatis the sensible thing to do? DESTROY it. Come on, guys. Why hold on to the incriminating evidence?

Good point there, Charity.

After running a little DNA on Zelph I'm sure he and his 17th century moccosins are somewhere in the SLC land fill.

I get the impression that every so often they have to do inventory and get rid of a few more skeletons as more truths come to light

Blixa wrote:Actually Zelph is there I believe. If not some of his bones at least the arrowhead taken from his thigh. I believe there are other similar historical artifacts and of course some peepstones. How many and which ones I can never keep straight, nor do I remember if they are allegedly in the "First President's vault" or in the ones up the canyon.

I'm sure there are plenty of interesting documents, too, as was make clear in the Hoffmann debacle. The extent of church holdings in the public archives is pretty impressive, itself. I'm dying to come back and do more work there. Its a pity their index is only available onsite.

So, could there also be the remains of Jimmy Hoffa or Amelia Earhart?

Inconceivable wrote:I get the impression that every so often they have to do inventory and get rid of a few more skeletons as more truths come to light

Would you care to document the source of your "impression?"

thestyleguy wrote: I heard about this place in the "canyon". Is it like Camp David?

It is right next to the place where Disney is literally on Ice. (Forget about that shill memorial at Forest Lawn).

Is there any way to put Mormons like Charity on ignore - so you never have to see a single post from them? Charity's posts on FAIR/MAD are nauseating enough, now we have to endure them here.

Why doesn't the Mormon Corporation open the vaults to the public? Why is the infamous Vault F locked away to everyone except the First Presidency? Why is it that when Mark Hoffman was in Vault F, he took manuscripts that put the Corporation in bad light, then turned around and sold them back to the Corporation - WHO then put them BACK in Vault F?

After Fawn Brodie and Mark Hoffman, the Corporation of Mormonism will never open the vaults again.

I have to laugh every time I see their new hundred million dollar library going up next to the great and spacious conference building. All that room and nothing to fill it with.

Nothing to see here, move along.

How many Mormons does it take to change a light bulb?
Change? What change?