Moniker wrote:Mister Scratch wrote:
One final time: My issue is not with prostitution, per se. My issue is with the fact that Ray, as a defender, wants to have it both ways.
Yet, you're the one using derogatory terms to refer to these women -- not Ray. You're the one using scare quotes.
Which terms would you prefer that I use, Moniker? Let me know and I'll go back and censor my posts. Moreover, from whence stems the judgmentalism/moralism? As I've noted, *I* am not the one who has any problem with the sex trade, per se.
Some of these women find it empowering to take money from men and twittering behind their backs at what suckers they are. Surely, you know this? Some of these women string men along for years and take from them. Let's not just make broad generalizations about these women that come in all fashions. Some are working their way through college, some are middle class mothers, some are destitute drug addicts that are on the streets.
Yep, quite true.
How does Ray want it both ways? I don't see him denying that he's befriended some of these women, or had some as lovers. WHAT precisely IS the problem here? He denies it not. What's the deal? That you can't be a Christian and find a woman that works in this profession and see them as more than what their clients see them as? That speaks, to me, of his ability to not be shallow or just another Neanderthal male.
Or just another Mormon? Does Mormonism---or a defense thereof---allow for the view you find praiseworthy in Ray, Moniker? That, fundamentally, is the question I'm trying to get at here.