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Argue that it's true
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:29 am
by _GoodK
One of my last posts at Mormon "apologetics" was about how people defend religion in three ways.
One of those is arguing that it's true. Anyone think it's still possible to argue that religion is literally true?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:30 am
by _Moniker
No.
Re: Argue that it's true
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:35 am
by _The Nehor
GoodK wrote:One of my last posts at Mormon "apologetics" was about how people defend religion in three ways.
One of those is arguing that it's true. Anyone think it's still possible to argue that religion is literally true?
To accept it yes. To argue it as in to prove it....much dodgier proposition.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:36 am
by _Moniker
Wait! I need to amend that. It's obvious that religion is true, in the sense it exists. The problem lies in convincing anyone else of the supernatural aspects of the beliefs.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:36 am
by _moksha
No, religion requires a leap of faith.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:37 am
by _GoodK
Moniker wrote:No.
seems like a lot of people are ignoring factual errors in their scriptures and religious doctrine and either arguing the usefulness of it, or the problems associated with not believing.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:40 am
by _Moniker
GoodK wrote:Moniker wrote:No.
seems like a lot of people are ignoring factual errors in their scriptures and religious doctrine and either arguing the usefulness of it, or the problems associated with not believing.
Right, well it's easier to attack others and adopt a bunker mentality then to look at your own beliefs. What I find startling is why they think atheist thought is flawed. Now, I could understand believing that atheists have it "wrong" in the sense that they just don't recognize God and are missing out. Yet, that's not what they do. They must attack atheism as a belief system -- they NEED atheism to be equated somehow to a dogmatic religion to try to strip it down and defeat it. Odd?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:41 am
by _The Nehor
Moniker wrote:GoodK wrote:Moniker wrote:No.
seems like a lot of people are ignoring factual errors in their scriptures and religious doctrine and either arguing the usefulness of it, or the problems associated with not believing.
Right, well it's easier to attack others and adopt a bunker mentality then to look at your own beliefs. What I find startling is why they think atheist thought is flawed. Now, I could understand believing that atheists have it "wrong" in the sense that they just don't recognize God and are missing out. Yet, that's not what they do. They must attack atheism as a belief system -- they NEED atheism to be equated somehow to a dogmatic religion to try to strip it down and defeat it. Odd?
I do?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:45 am
by _GoodK
The Nehor wrote:Moniker wrote:GoodK wrote:Moniker wrote:No.
seems like a lot of people are ignoring factual errors in their scriptures and religious doctrine and either arguing the usefulness of it, or the problems associated with not believing.
Right, well it's easier to attack others and adopt a bunker mentality then to look at your own beliefs. What I find startling is why they think atheist thought is flawed. Now, I could understand believing that atheists have it "wrong" in the sense that they just don't recognize God and are missing out. Yet, that's not what they do. They must attack atheism as a belief system -- they NEED atheism to be equated somehow to a dogmatic religion to try to strip it down and defeat it. Odd?
I do?
I'm assuming you don't, but you are probably more moderate in your doctrinal beliefs right? I mean to say that a fundamentalist Mormon, or someone who really is convicted in their beliefs, would probably attack atheism as a belief system. And they are supported in their hatred for atheism by scripture.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:49 am
by _Moniker
The Nehor wrote:Moniker wrote:GoodK wrote:Moniker wrote:No.
seems like a lot of people are ignoring factual errors in their scriptures and religious doctrine and either arguing the usefulness of it, or the problems associated with not believing.
Right, well it's easier to attack others and adopt a bunker mentality then to look at your own beliefs. What I find startling is why they think atheist thought is flawed. Now, I could understand believing that atheists have it "wrong" in the sense that they just don't recognize God and are missing out. Yet, that's not what they do. They must attack atheism as a belief system -- they NEED atheism to be equated somehow to a dogmatic religion to try to strip it down and defeat it. Odd?
I do?
Do
you argue that your religion is true?
Many that do (haven't seen you do that) try to place atheism as a belief system to show how awful atheists are and show the joys and wonders of being in the religion. If atheists actually do find meaning in their lives, if they are charitable, if they are honest, if they essentially are good, ethical people then this strips away much of the argument for why atheism is so horrid. I've been on MAD many a times where I have to state repeatedly that atheists have NO dogma, no belief system outside the lack of belief in God. Yet, often, over there, I had to be pigeonholed into being a stereotype of a bad person (or all atheists) so that they could demolish that make believe belief system (that they are CONVINCED all atheists prescribe to) in order to prove that their belief system was superior.
In other words:
I accept God and I'm a good person.
Atheist doesn't accept God and is the opposite of me in every way (ie bad person) so I better stick with God