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I'm amazed at this... from the FAIR video clip on horses:

Dan: There is evidence of horses, horse bones have been found in a number of archaeological digs in historical strata.

John: For example there are some caves in Mexico that have Mayan artifacts in association with horse bones, notably the Lol Tun caves.

Dan: They have almost always been discarded because the Archaeologists assumed on the basis of ideology or preconceived opinion.. that that must be site contamination.. those horse bones can’t belong there and yet they have been found at the right levels, umm...

Dan: There have also been some horse bones that have been radio carbon dated to about the time of Christ that were found up in the upper Midwest of the United States.

John: We are hoping that at some point these will be located and radio carbon tested.

Dan: Preliminary results seem to indicate that those horse bones do date, in fact to Book of Mormon times.

John: There were a few other that were found to be Pre Columbian but post Book of Mormon that is significant because the claim has long been made that there were no horses in the new world from about 10,000 BC until the time of the Spanish arriving here. So Columbus initially in 1492 and then followed by others.

John: But in fact, there are a number of them that have been found in say the 11th century to the 13th century.. they are before Columbus but they are after the Book of Mormon. So they can’t be used as evidence of the Book of Mormon but where in the heck did they come from?

Dan: So it is not a done deal to suggest that there were no horses in the Americas during Book of Mormon times, there is considerable evidence for horses it has just has been little noticed.

I would like to know what "considerable evidence" they are talking about.

Umm Beastie... how about putting a respose to this on your site? ;-)



~dancer~

Dan: There have also been some horse bones that have been radio carbon dated to about the time of Christ that were found up in the upper Midwest of the United States.

Can someone remind me why we bother debunking this nonsense if we're just going to be ignored?

CaliforniaKid wrote:

Dan: There have also been some horse bones that have been radio carbon dated to about the time of Christ that were found up in the upper Midwest of the United States.

Can someone remind me why we bother debunking this nonsense if we're just going to be ignored?

It is not for us but to remind others on just what passes in the LDS org as "facts" and "truth".

truth dancer wrote:I'm amazed at this... from the FAIR video clip on horses:

Dan: There is evidence of horses, horse bones have been found in a number of archaeological digs in historical strata.

John: For example there are some caves in Mexico that have Mayan artifacts in association with horse bones, notably the Lol Tun caves.

Dan: They have almost always been discarded because the Archaeologists assumed on the basis of ideology or preconceived opinion.. that that must be site contamination.. those horse bones can’t belong there and yet they have been found at the right levels, umm...

Dan: There have also been some horse bones that have been radio carbon dated to about the time of Christ that were found up in the upper Midwest of the United States.

John: We are hoping that at some point these will be located and radio carbon tested.

Dan: Preliminary results seem to indicate that those horse bones do date, in fact to Book of Mormon times.

John: There were a few other that were found to be Pre Columbian but post Book of Mormon that is significant because the claim has long been made that there were no horses in the new world from about 10,000 BC until the time of the Spanish arriving here. So Columbus initially in 1492 and then followed by others.

John: But in fact, there are a number of them that have been found in say the 11th century to the 13th century.. they are before Columbus but they are after the Book of Mormon. So they can’t be used as evidence of the Book of Mormon but where in the heck did they come from?

Dan: So it is not a done deal to suggest that there were no horses in the Americas during Book of Mormon times, there is considerable evidence for horses it has just has been little noticed.

I would like to know what "considerable evidence" they are talking about.

Umm Beastie... how about putting a respose to this on your site? ;-)

~dancer~

The caves were probably inhabited as long ago as 2500 bc Pottery dating from 1200 to 600 bc has been found, as well as some from the Maya Classic period and later. It is assumed that the caves were also used as places of refuge from the Spanish conquistadors. There are conducted tours of the caves at certain times of the day.

Outside of one of the entrances to Loltun Caves is a large phallic monument. This monolith is almost the height of a person, and is very anatomically correct. It is a rather large example of a phallic tradition which was widespread in the Puuc region during the Late/Terminal Classic. Why didn’t farms mention the big penis outside?

At Loltun, the visitor can learn the natural and cultural history of the Northern Maya Lowlands within a 10,000 years period, from the late Pleistocene to Contemporary times. In one of its cavities, locally known as "Huechil" (from the Maya "Huech": armadillo), archaeological excavations were carried out, and in one of its lowest levels, extinct animal remains were found: mammoth, bison, feline and other animal bones, indicating a colder climate period with a different environment to that of the present. Man made stone tools appeared in a superior level, probably produced by the first Peninsula's inhabitants.

Odd, no mention whatsoever of “Horses”. The only place you can match “Horses” and “Loltun Caves” is on Mormon Apologetic sites. Obviously. FARMS mentions that an anthropologist by the name of Henry C. Mercer found horse bones at Loltun, yet I cannot find a single source where Mercer actually stated he had found horse bones, and had dated them to the purported time of the Lamanites and Nephites. In fact, again, a search for Henry C. Mercer and horses ONLY turns up FARMS and SHIELDS again, nothing else, except that idiot Jeff Lindsay quoting FARMS.

These idiotic videos from FAIR serve only to pacify Mormon members into believing that all is well in Zion. Don't look for the evidences yourself. Don't try to do any research. We have things covered here. Go back to paying, praying and obeying.

Infymus wrote:These idiotic videos from FAIR serve only to pacify Mormon members into believing that all is well in Zion. Don't look for the evidences yourself. Don't try to do any research. We have things covered here. Go back to paying, praying and obeying.

Let me guess. Your wife hasn't bought into your rhetoric, vulgar as it often is. She's still active, right, and you admit home teachers? Or am I wrong?

rcrocket wrote:

Infymus wrote:These idiotic videos from FAIR serve only to pacify Mormon members into believing that all is well in Zion. Don't look for the evidences yourself. Don't try to do any research. We have things covered here. Go back to paying, praying and obeying.

Let me guess. Your wife hasn't bought into your rhetoric, vulgar as it often is. She's still active, right, and you admit home teachers? Or am I wrong?

What does this have to do with DCP stating horses existed with no proof to back it up?

And no, I keep my wife locked in the basement, where she belongs. I secretly kill HTs and make nipple belts. I also eat small children, occasionally.

Infymus wrote:And no, I keep my wife locked in the basement, where she belongs. I secretly kill HTs and make nipple belts. I also eat small children, occasionally.

The smaller they are, the more tender they are. You don't want them after they begin walking - they start getting stringy.

skippy the dead wrote:

Infymus wrote:And no, I keep my wife locked in the basement, where she belongs. I secretly kill HTs and make nipple belts. I also eat small children, occasionally.

The smaller they are, the more tender they are. You don't want them after they begin walking - they start getting stringy.

Not to mention they start getting into everything, make lots of noise and demand new WII games.

As I stated on the other thread, the videos are not about documenting every fact, detail or speculation. The point that was trying to be made is that lighthouse ministries left out much information in their Godmaker's video. The purpose of the videos by FAIR was to counter the lighthouse ministry video and they did a good job.

I have stated before many times on other forums: the same rules if applied to the Bible as they are applied to the Book of Mormon would show that the Bible is also unprovable.

I thought the FAIR videos right on target for the audience that they are meant for.

why me wrote:I have stated before many times on other forums: the same rules if applied to the Bible as they are applied to the Book of Mormon would show that the Bible is also unprovable.

Agreed! And it is!