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Charity mentioned in another thread that faith (as long as it's not faith based on facts) can move mountains, literally.

I'm wondering, now that we've surveyed the face of the world pretty well from space, and for some time have had photographic records of a lot of the terrain, has it been detected that a mountain has moved from one place to another in the last, say, couple hundred years?

If no mountains have been moved, is this just because God simply doesn't want to? Is it the case now that since we can actually map the surface of the planet by satellite, if God were to allow a mountain to be moved by faith, it would show up as having been moved, we could measure it, and know that God exists? And that therefor he can't afford to let it actually happen, because then there would be no need for faith?

Yeah, that's it. God used to allow mountains to be moved from time to time by intensely faithful individuals, back when we couldn't prove it had happened. Now that we could prove that a mountain had been moved, God can't allow it to happen anymore without undermining the critical role of faith.

Perhaps God could allow a mountain to be moved just a little? You know, like ten feet or so? That could be measured by satellite, but chances are probably pretty good nobody would notice and think to actually do it.

Generalizing a little bit, what faith-powered miracles are happening these days? Do they ever happen in circumstances where the miracle can be proven to have happened? Or is this too prohibited by the maxim that faith without proof must remain supreme?

Are faith-powered miracles only ever happening in circumstances where it could not be proven that they had happened at all? You know, so that they remain firmly the province of the Faith-Promoting Rumor?

It really intrigues me that people can so firmly cling to a notion like mountains being moved, despite no verifiable such mountain moving ever having taken place. And that people cling to the notion of other miracles occurring, where no such verifiable miracle has ever occurred. But never fear, their faith is not diminished or challenged one bit - that's the miracle of faith for ya. On the contrary, the lack of such publicly verifiable miracles is explained away as an intrinsic part of the whole Plan. Sigh.

According to Charity's comments about God makes sure we have no proof of the Book of Mormon so we can continue to have our faith tested it follows that if a mountain really was moved there would be no evidence since then we would no longer have faith. So there mus be a mountain moved somewhere but the eveidence is hidden so we can have our faith tested that faith really can move mountains.

Make sense?

Oye!!!!

So many people know with such a surety what God COULD do if He wanted, and yet we just don't see it happening.

Where are the restored limbs? Where are the moved mountains?

Of course those of us asking these questions can be conveniently branded as "seeking for signs" and thus easily dismissed.

Can everyone read this link and 'educate' themselves please...!

http://www.ukapologetics.net/8faultyfaith.htm

Always Thinking wrote:...
Where are the restored limbs? Where are the moved mountains?
...

And where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds?

http://nowscape.com/atheism/dead_gods.htm

Jason Bourne wrote:According to Charity's comments about God makes sure we have no proof of the Book of Mormon so we can continue to have our faith tested it follows that if a mountain really was moved there would be no evidence since then we would no longer have faith. So there mus be a mountain moved somewhere but the eveidence is hidden so we can have our faith tested that faith really can move mountains.

Make sense?

Oye!!!!

Jason, you usually read better than that. I said some people think that God will keep proofs of the Book of Mormon hidden. Some people is not me!

God doesn't do for us what we can do for ourselves. If we need a mountain moved we get the big LeTourneaus out and move it. God doesn't do the couch potato's job for him.

Miracles are operations of laws we don't understand. And men take the evidence of a miracle and then try to explain it by natural laws, then say, "see, it wasn't really a miracle after all." Case in point. The parting of the Red Sea. There is a natural laws explanation out there now. You know the Santorini explanation. And it happened just as the children of Israel got to the Red Sea and the Eyptians were about to destroy them.

The thing is, "faith can move mountains" works perfectly well as a metaphor. No need to literalize it for it to have inspirational power...

ludwigm asked:

And where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds?

Ah, that is the job of poets. Paradise Lost is a beautiful example of a tribute to a fallen god---at least in William Blake's eyes. Keats's The Fall of Hyperion is another thought provoking meditation on the continual birth and death of humanity's creation: the vast roster of gods.

All the Book of Mormon evidence was put on a mountain, and the mountain was moved to an undisclosed location.

charity wrote:
God doesn't do for us what we can do for ourselves. If we need a mountain moved we get the big LeTourneaus out and move it. God doesn't do the couch potato's job for him.

You are exactly right. God helps those who help themselves.

It is a very small stone's throw to deduce that it is man who is doing it all. God just conveniently gets some credit if things work out well.

So which part is God doing? Short answer. Nothing. Man is God.

The Earth's tectonic plates are constantly moving. There's literally mountains of evidence! (yuk yuk yuk)

So, yeah, there's too much proof that they move now, therefore, faith isn't going to cut it in the mountain moving arena any more.

And on an tangentially related note: Confucius say girl with training bra make mountain out of molehill. Now that’s faith.