Our friend Will Schryver just posted this over on the other board:
You see, I know more about you than you think. It's a small world, after all.
I can only assume that since Will and I have a mutual friend (an apostle's son) and that friend knows the name of my bishop, Will is hinting that I'll be the first in his campaign to root apostates out of the church.
He also hinted that coming events will destroy my marriage and family. Yes, disciplinary councils tend to do things like that.
Maybe it is time to resign rather than put my family through that.
Runtu wrote:Maybe it is time to resign rather than put my family through that.
Resignation, like suicide, is always an option--but one that's best held in reserve until the right time. Remember you can stop the disciplinary proceedings at any time by resigning.
Don't let him dictate you relationship to the Church and your family.
Back when he was asking people if he could interview them, I posted that I would never do it, that i thought he was a shady, untrustworthy guy. guess i was right.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Runtu wrote:Maybe it is time to resign rather than put my family through that.
Resignation, like suicide, is always an option--but one that's best held in reserve until the right time. Remember you can stop the disciplinary proceedings at any time by resigning.
Don't let him dictate you relationship to the Church and your family.
John
I'm just saying that, if push came to shove, I'd resign before I'd let that happen.
by the way, Will assures me that I'm misreading him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Runtu wrote:Our friend Will Schryver just posted this over on the other board:
You see, I know more about you than you think. It's a small world, after all.
I can only assume that since Will and I have a mutual friend (an apostle's son) and that friend knows the name of my bishop, Will is hinting that I'll be the first in his campaign to root apostates out of the church.
He also hinted that coming events will destroy my marriage and family. Yes, disciplinary councils tend to do things like that.
Maybe it is time to resign rather than put my family through that.
You are being a little disingenuous by posting half of what Will said. I am going to supply the whole post, so people here can see it in context. Will in Red, runtu in bold
Will: At any rate, you can continue trying to turn tables on this issue all you want. I've made clear I'm not speaking about the weak, the doubting, the confused, or even the disaffected husband who goes to Sacrament meeting with his family, but has no enthusiasm for the gospel at all. I will continue to reach out and love those kind of people 'til the day I die.
runtu/JohnW over there replied:
I'm not turning the tables. You just seem to think you can distinguish the strugglers from the venomous rather easily. I'm suggesting you can't.
Willl: "Believe me, it's not near as difficult as you'd like to believe. You'd be surprised how much the countenance of a man reveals to someone who has the ability to interpret its signs. Of course, that's just the first sign. From that point all you have to do is get him to open his mouth and start talking. It will all come spilling out in a flood.
I'm talking about people like you who go to church on Sunday and spend the remainder of their waking hours cultivating seeds of doubt on message boards, in private conversations with extended family members, and through subtle manipulation of the thoughts and feelings of their spouses and children -- all with the ultimate objective of having those around them join in their apostasy.
runtu/JohnW : Heh, if I'm trying to cultivate seeds of doubt, I'm doing a terrible job. And for what it's worth, about the only time I talk about the church is here. I don't talk to my kids or my wife about it. Why do you think I'm trying to manipulate my family? Oh, that's right, because I mentioned something my daughter said a while back about women's roles in the church. Yes, Will, I worked hard to put that doubt into her head, and I've exploited it ever since.
Will: You see, I know more about you than you think. It's a small world, after all. And then Will included a smilie, but we can't see it here.
I see nothing in that post that says Will has some secret information source. He said it was plain in the countenance and in the person's words. No big conspiracy theory going on here.
Runtu wrote:Our friend Will Schryver just posted this over on the other board:
You see, I know more about you than you think. It's a small world, after all.
I can only assume that since Will and I have a mutual friend (an apostle's son) and that friend knows the name of my bishop, Will is hinting that I'll be the first in his campaign to root apostates out of the church.
He also hinted that coming events will destroy my marriage and family. Yes, disciplinary councils tend to do things like that.
Maybe it is time to resign rather than put my family through that.
Have him talk to Bob Crockett. Bob doesn't like people putting other people's private lives at risk. Maybe Bob can talk him out of doing that to you.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
charity wrote:Will: You see, I know more about you than you think. It's a small world, after all. And then Will included a smilie, but we can't see it here.
I see nothing in that post that says Will has some secret information source. He said it was plain in the countenance and in the person's words. No big conspiracy theory going on here.
Call me disingenuous, but that's how I read Will's remarks. We do have a mutual friend, and Will does know my bishop's name. Will assures me that I misread him, and I will take his word for it.
Maybe Will is an counter espionage agent by day, and he's just taking his work home with him.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
charity wrote: And then Will included a smilie, but we can't see it here...
lol. so subtle. I like it! Did you catch that shades?
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Charity, did you bother to read what you posted? Will clearly implicated John/Runtu here:
Will wrote:I'm talking about people like you who go to church on Sunday and spend the remainder of their waking hours cultivating seeds of doubt on message boards, in private conversations with extended family members, and through subtle manipulation of the thoughts and feelings of their spouses and children -- all with the ultimate objective of having those around them join in their apostasy.