In the spirit of openness and transparency--

[_charity]

I am intrigued by the ads that are showing up here. Temple garments. Priesthly benediction wrist bands? Seems a sort of mixed bag.

So, since you have expressed the idea that financial records should be open and transparent, I would like to ask a few questions?

How much income is generated by these ads?

How is the rate determined? By total number of visits to the site? Total number of logins? Total number of posts?

Please open your books in the spirit of honest and transparency. Thanks.

[_Who Knows]

I am intrigued by the ads that are showing up here. Temple garments. Priesthly benediction wrist bands? Seems a sort of mixed bag.

So, since you have expressed the idea that financial records should be open and transparent, I would like to ask a few questions?

How much income is generated by these ads?

How is the rate determined? By total number of visits to the site? Total number of logins? Total number of posts?

Please open your books in the spirit of honest and transparency. Thanks.

I would agree, that if you donate to the site, you should have a right to know this.

;)

[_charity]

Am I not donating to the site by participating? And since revenues must be determined somehow on usage of the site, then all of us posters have contributed by our use to the revenues generated.

[_Who Knows]

Am I not donating to the site by participating? And since revenues must be determined somehow on usage of the site, then all of us posters have contributed by our use to the revenues generated.

No. Shades would only get money if you click on the ads.

I have an internet site with ads on it. Trust me, Shades ain't making money running this site.

[_Some Schmo]

Please open your books in the spirit of honest and transparency. Thanks.

LMAO

I think it's hilarious that you would try this thinking it was analogous to what critics ask of the church.

Does Shade's board demand a certain percentage of participants' income with the threat of diminished participation? The threat of eternal damnation? Is Shade's enjoying tax exemption status? And does Shade's claim divinity in his website?

And yet, despite the fact that his MB is not like the church in these ways, I'm willing to bet good money that Shade's will disclose whatever relevant financial information there is to offer with respect to this site. I also suspect he has no control over the revenue generated by the ads, but rather puts up with them in order to get a reduced rate on the hosting service here.

[_Who Knows]

I'm willing to bet good money that Shade's will disclose whatever relevant financial information there is to offer with respect to this site.

Charity - first, have you asked shades for this information? Second, if shades does disclose this information. to you, would you be willing to change your tune, and agree that the church should disclose it's finances?

What is your goal here?

[_charity]

I'm willing to bet good money that Shade's will disclose whatever relevant financial information there is to offer with respect to this site.

Charity - first, have you asked shades for this information? Second, if shades does disclose this information. to you, would you be willing to change your tune, and agree that the church should disclose it's finances?

What is your goal here?

I like consistency. I often don't see that in critics of the Church, leaders, etc. Critics demand things they are not willing to provide for themselves. For instance, while defending Simon Southerton's admitted adultery, they condemn plural marraige. Copnsistent?

I don't thnk Shades should give out any financial information he doesn't want to give out. just the same as I don't t hink the Church should give out any financial information the leaders don't want to give out. I am consistent.

But if Shades is reluctant to do so, he has no call to criticize the Church for not making the books public.

[_antishock8]

Tell you what, Charity. You disclose your finances. I want to see a transcript of your bank account before we go any further. You do that, then you have something to say. If not, then you're a goose.

[_Who Knows]

I like consistency.

Sure you do.

I often don't see that in critics of the Church, leaders, etc. Critics demand things they are not willing to provide for themselves. For instance, while defending Simon Southerton's admitted adultery, they condemn plural marraige. Copnsistent?

Really? I certainly would never defend someone's adultery. Can you provide a source for your claim?

In the spirit of consistency, are you ok with adultery, since Joseph Smith committed it?

I don't thnk Shades should give out any financial information he doesn't want to give out. just the same as I don't t hink the Church should give out any financial information the leaders don't want to give out. I am consistent.

But if Shades is reluctant to do so, he has no call to criticize the Church for not making the books public.

If i were to donate a sizable amount of money to shades site (read 10% of my income) I would certainly insist on seeing financials, and having some type of independent oversight (audits). The same goes for any organization i donate money to. If you don't insist on similar due diligence, I've got some great business ideas. Would you like to go in on them with me?

side note - for sethbag wondering why MLMs are so popular in utah, see charity's logic here...

[_solomarineris]

I am intrigued by the ads that are showing up here. Temple garments. Priesthly benediction wrist bands? Seems a sort of mixed bag.

So, since you have expressed the idea that financial records should be open and transparent, I would like to ask a few questions?

How much income is generated by these ads?

How is the rate determined? By total number of visits to the site? Total number of logins? Total number of posts?

Please open your books in the spirit of honest and transparency. Thanks.

While you're at it, why don't you put your brain into a better use and ask;
"Where my own money goes to?"
(You know what I mean, you fork out some serious dough monthly basis since the time
immemorial, why don't you ask for an accounting?)

Of course...my lack of faith is self evident.
By the way, are you embarassed about the discussion of
temple garments? If so, why? Maybe because they look so surreal and otherworldy.
I'll be honest with you, I've never felt so shameful & out of place wearing any of that stuff.
I'd rather walk butt naked in public.