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Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:08 pm
by _Mercury
It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:13 pm
by _Jason Bourne
Mercury wrote:It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
No
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:16 pm
by _Mercury
Jason Bourne wrote:Mercury wrote:It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
No
Wow Jason, thorough as always. Care to elaborate or will you return another one word response?
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:16 pm
by _charity
Mercury wrote:It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
Jason gave the right answer. No.
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:33 pm
by _Mercury
charity wrote:Mercury wrote:It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
Jason gave the right answer. No.
You are useless. Why don't you come up with a counter argument instead of being the parrot you usually are?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:38 pm
by _John Larsen
I noticed that in every stake that I have lived in, the SP came from the highest socio-economic class available in that stake.
For fun, you can read in the Church news the bios when the call new mission presidents. These men are not the salt of the earth, they tend to be very successful in profession fields and have the degrees and accomplishments to show for it.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:40 pm
by _Mercury
John Larsen wrote:I noticed that in every stake that I have lived in, the SP came from the highest socio-economic class available in that stake.
For fun, you can read in the Church news the bios when the call new mission presidents. These men are not the salt of the earth, they tend to be very successful in profession fields and have the degrees and accomplishments to show for it.
My sentiments exactly. Thank you John for your response. It seems the rest of those who have responded aren Old Testament interested in worthwhile debate.
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:47 pm
by _RAJ
Mercury wrote:It is my observation that those in certain social classes within Mormonism stay in the social class they were born into. Not only that they stay in said social class but there is, in the lower and middle class Mormon mindset a "peasant" attitude of reverence for the upper classes, reinforced by said upper classes being predominate in leadership roles.
It seemed as if being well-to-do was a qualification for a perceived higher spirituality and interaction between the classes was discouraged. Case in point, I and a handfull of colleagues were starting a business. We needed a lawyer to draw up papers for incorporation. When I inquired with my grandparents for the contact information for someone in their old ward who was in that field by name, I was told that that is not how this is done and to find someone else more "on our level". Several other incidents like this were experienced by myself throughout my life.
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
Does/did anyone else see this attitude?
Oh, yes.
My mother somewhat bitterly calls them
Brahmin Mormons. She doesn't consider herself one of them and has chafed from time to time under this or that perceived sleight --- but she basically accepts the status quo and is still a very faithful member.
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:57 pm
by _Mercury
RAJ wrote:Brahmin Mormons
I've never heard the term before but the context fits perfectly.
Re: Upward mobility in Mormonism?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 pm
by _skippy the dead
charity wrote:Jason gave the right answer. No.
Third no here. And no reason to debate - I can't see how a serious debate could even occur. You've made your assertion - there are at least three of us who disagree because we have not seen it.