The Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece??

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The Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece??

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Over on the other board, I got this post:

If so, do you know of any other piece of literature ever written by a "uneducated farm boy" comparable in complexity, length and method of production?


I think these apologists just recite what they are told. Someone once told them it is a complex literary masterpiece, and there is no way an uneducated farmboy could have created it.

Are they reading the same book I am? Where a good 1/4 of the verses start with "And it came to pass..." THAT is a literary masterpiece?

Does anyone here believe that the Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece and why do you believe that?
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Post by _antishock8 »

It's one of the worst written books I ever read. And I read the damn thing a dozen times because that's just what we did. Ugh. Terrible terrible lit.
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Post by _Chap »

What is it with the 'uneducated farm boy" stuff?

After all, he wrote this, as we have been told on another thread:


“Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God. But we cannot keep all the commandments without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we comply with or keep those we have already received. That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another."

"God said, "Thou shalt not kill;" at another time He said "Thou shalt utterly destroy." This is the principle on which the government of heaven is conducted—by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire. If we seek first the kingdom of God, all good things will be added. So with Solomon: first he asked wisdom, and God gave it him, and with it every desire of his heart, even things which might be considered abominable to all who understand the order of heaven only in part, but which in reality were right because God gave and sanctioned by special revelation."

"A parent may whip a child, and justly, too, because he stole an apple; whereas if the child had asked for the apple, and the parent had given it, the child would have eaten it with a better appetite; there would have been no stripes; all the pleasure of the apple would have been secured, all the misery of stealing lost."

"This principle will justly apply to all of God's dealings with His children. Everything that God gives us is lawful and right; and it is proper that we should enjoy His gifts and blessings whenever and wherever He is disposed to bestow; but if we should seize upon those same blessings and enjoyments without law, without revelation, without commandment, those blessings and enjoyments would prove cursings and vexations in the end, and we should have to lie down in sorrow and wailings of everlasting regret. But in obedience there is joy and peace unspotted, unalloyed; and as God has designed our happiness—and the happiness of all His creatures, he never has—He never will institute an ordinance or give a commandment to His people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which He has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of his law and ordinances. Blessings offered, but rejected, are no longer blessings, but become like the talent hid in the earth by the wicked and slothful servant; the proffered good returns to the giver; the blessing is bestowed on those who will receive and occupy; for unto him that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundantly, but unto him that hath not or will not receive, shall be taken away that which he hath, or might have had."

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The assertions are dogmatic and unsupported, the reasoning is slippery ... but this man can write fluently and to some extent effectively. Why shouldn't the man who wrote such a piece have been capable, given time, of writing a pastiche of the King James Bible, which is what the Book of Mormon appears to be?
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Re: The Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece??

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Scottie wrote:Over on the other board, I got this post:

If so, do you know of any other piece of literature ever written by a "uneducated farm boy" comparable in complexity, length and method of production?


I think these apologists just recite what they are told. Someone once told them it is a complex literary masterpiece, and there is no way an uneducated farmboy could have created it.

Are they reading the same book I am? Where a good 1/4 of the verses start with "And it came to pass..." THAT is a literary masterpiece?

Does anyone here believe that the Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece and why do you believe that?


Not me. I've read a lot of literary masterpieces, and the Book of Mormon does not rank with them.
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Post by _Phaedrus Ut »

It's a great setup! Start with a claim like the Book of Mormon is a great piece of literature but state it like it's common knowledge or the consensus. Then you build upon it with claims like Joseph being a uneducated farm boy who was barely literate. Surround that by claims the whole translation was done in 60 days and you have something to believing ears sounds like great proof.

The problem is that any one that has read the Book of Mormon knows it's a horrible read. Any impartial scholar recognizes it as great example of religious literature. But that literature is 19th century American religious fiction. The book has no corresponding basis as a historical text or a story of a actual people or place. It's so riddle with holes and errors apologists are reducing to concocting elaborate explanations why this or that could possibly happen if you assume X or Y.

Honestly I think the whole ruse about people claiming that the Book of Mormon is such a great book is just a big group deception. They believe their parents, teachers, peers think its good so they claim to have the same emotions and opinions about it. When in reality is a half baked attempt to copy KJV biblical language and set some pseudo biblical story that uneducated people would buy in to. Ultimately only 1 out of 3 people decide to keep this up and stay with the religion but ultimately 2 out of 3 members see that the emperor is buck naked.


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Phaedrus Ut wrote:It's so riddle with holes and errors apologists are reducing to concocting elaborate explanations why this or that could possibly happen if you assume X or Y.

This is one of the things I hear apologists say, that the book has NO HOLES. There are dynamic characters, and from start to end, it all fits perfectly!

I tend to disagree...
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Post by _MishMagnet »

The Koran was written by an illiterate man who received revelation during seizures.

This book brought forth a religion of around a billion persons.

That is a huge step up from the Book of Mormon.
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Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

It always amuses me when they call him an uneducated farm boy. He was not a boy during the Book of Mormon production. He was a married man trying to make a living (hint, hint). He was uneducated as a boy, like most kids at that time, but he was an active self learner throughout his life. He was not dumb.
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Post by _Mercury »

Mark Twain:
All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few, except the elect have seen it or at least taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me. It is such a pretentious affair and yet so slow, so sleepy, such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print.
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Re: The Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece??

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Scottie wrote:Over on the other board, I got this post:

If so, do you know of any other piece of literature ever written by a "uneducated farm boy" comparable in complexity, length and method of production?


I think these apologists just recite what they are told. Someone once told them it is a complex literary masterpiece, and there is no way an uneducated farmboy could have created it.

Are they reading the same book I am? Where a good 1/4 of the verses start with "And it came to pass..." THAT is a literary masterpiece?

Does anyone here believe that the Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece and why do you believe that?


What is the quote from the other board supposed to mean? Is this someone forwarding the idea that Joseph Smith actually wrote the Book of Mormon? Probably not.

He wasn't illiterate.
He didn't write the Book of Mormon.
He didn't translate the Gold Plates.
There were no Gold Plates.
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