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There is Another Polygamy Thread on MAD

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:14 am
by _Brackite
Hello all here,

There is another Polygamy Discussion Thread, on the MA&D Message Board. This Discussion thread was started late last night on the MA&D Message Board, and the Title of this Discussion Thread is, 'Jsmith And Polygamy, How Did It Start And Should We Practice It Again?', over there.
Here is the URL Address to that Discussion Thread:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=33254


Here is the Opening Post, from that Discussion Thread, over there:

Does anyone know why and how Joseph started to practice polygamy? I read the D&C and nowhere does it command Joseph to practice polygamy.

If the society started to accept polygamy, should we practice it again?



Answer:
Joseph Smith started to Practice Polygamy in about 1833, with his first Plural 'Marriage' to Fanny Alger.
Here are a couple of links to more information about Joseph Smith's first Plural 'Marriage' to Fanny Alger:

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/02-FannyAlger.htm

And:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/ ... lger7.html

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:16 am
by _Scottie
Yeah, this guy is saying that although D&C 132 authorized Joseph Smith to practice polygamy, it doesn't command him to actually start doing it.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:21 am
by _Brackite
Scottie wrote:Yeah, this guy is saying that although D&C 132 authorized Joseph Smith to practice polygamy, it doesn't command him to actually start doing it.


Hi Scottie,

Yes, I saw that too.

Here is that Post:

I believe sec 132 as saying what polygamy is and how it can be practiced. I do not believe that that was a commandment to Joseph to practice it.

I've never read Rough Stone Rolling. But I have hard time trusting any books that talk about Joseph that's not church sponsored. I mean, with so much controversy surrounding the issue, I find it difficult to find an unbiased report of that era.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:29 am
by _Brackite
Here is Juliann's Answer to one of the OP's Questions:

QUOTE(scottcho @ Feb 23 2008, 10:19 PM)



If the society started to accept polygamy, should we practice it again?




There are societies that do accept it so the answer seems to be no.


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 33254&st=0 )

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:49 am
by _Brackite
The Evangelical Christian Poster named 'Roman' came in and Joined that Discussion Thread.
Here is his First Post, on that Discussion Thread:

What you all saying is lets just throw out the Bible and what God has already said about marriage and do what the people think is right. Plural marraige was never sactioned by GodHe tolaratede it in the Old Testament.

Yes I know all aout the verses that lsa use to support thier views and none of them work. We are in a New Covenamt that defines marriage quite well -------and multiple wifes ain't in the NC


Now here is a Response to his Post:

QUOTE(roman @ Feb 24 2008, 07:04 AM)

What you all saying is lets just throw out the Bible and what God has already said about marriage and do what the people think is right. Plural marraige was never sactioned by GodHe tolaratede it in the Old Testament.




Really? Hmm. I suggest you read "Does the Bible Sanction Polygamy" by Orson Pratt.

How about the instances where God gave wives to David? Yes, it's there. Go read it.


And here is a Post by 'Calmoriah', Quoting the Old King James Version of 2 Samuel 12:7-8:

2nd Samuel 12¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.



However, The Lord God in the Book of Mormon, Declares that King David (along with his son, King Solomon), having many wives and concubines was an abomination unto Him. Here is Jacob Chapter Two, Verses 23-24, in the Book of Mormon:

Jacob 2:23-24:

[23] But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:09 am
by _moksha
Brackite wrote:Here is Juliann's Answer to one of the OP's Questions:

QUOTE(scottcho @ Feb 23 2008, 10:19 PM)

If the society started to accept polygamy, should we practice it again?


There are societies that do accept it so the answer seems to be no.


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 33254&st=0 )


In 2006 Congressional testimony via an Apostle from the Quorum of the Twelve, the Church reaffirmed that marriage is meant to be between one man and one woman. This seems like a clear cut repudiation of any real or suppose doctrine for polygamy. It was an unfortunate aberration that had disastrous repercussions for the Church.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:14 pm
by _Brackite
Here is the Poster's named, 'scottcho' (The OP of this Thread), Response Message, to another Poster on that Thread:

QUOTE(LifeOnaPlate @ Feb 24 2008, 02:31 PM)

When was it commanded>? D&C 132. Rescinded? Official Declaration 1.

Will people always accuse Joseph of having made the doctrine up in order to satisfy lustful urges? Yes. Will you impress your "anti Mormon" [your words] friends with arguments about the doctrine of plural marriage? Probably not.

Your problem here includes wanting Church history to align with your own (or your friends') social and cultural prejudices.



Sure, except D&C 132 does not command polygamy and official declaration 1 shows that it was church's decision to abandon it, not God's.


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 3254&st=20 )


While scottcho is wrong about Doc. And Cov. Section 132, not commanded Polygamy, he is really defiantly right about Official Declaration #1, that it was the LDS Church's decision to abandon Polygamy, and Not a Revelation from the Lord God to abandon Polygamy.